NFHS - Offense Breaking Huddle with 12?

[IMSports007]

What's the official interpretation on this rule?

It's NOT a penalty as far as I can tell in NFHS.

Any thoughts?

[kdf5]

There is no rule against breaking the huddle with 12 in NFHS. The rule says a replaced player must leave immediately. This has been interpreted to mean 3-5 seconds after being notified by the entering sub.

Usually the sub enters the huddle to notify the player, the huddle breaks, and the replaced player runs off. This is just a coincidence and not a foul. If the player being replaced fails to exit within 3-5 seconds then you should look hard at flagging him.

[IMSports007]

Where can I find the rule reference to this to show my local association?

[bigjohn]

If you are from Oregon!

2008 SRI Bulletin #3 ? September 15, 2008 (SWOFOA)

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by IMSports007

Where can I find the rule reference to this to show my local association?

3-7-1 "Between downs any number of eligible substitutes may replace
players. Replaced players shall leave the field immediately."

2-32-15 "A substitute is a team member who may replace a player or fill a player vacancy. A substitute becomes a player when he enters the field and communicates with a teammate or an official, enters the huddle, is positioned in a formation or participates in the play. An entering substitute is not considered to be a player for encroachment restrictions until he is on his team’s side of the neutral zone. A team member entering the field to fill a player vacancy remains a substitute until he is on his team’s side of the neutral zone."

2-32-12 "A replaced player is one who has been notified by a substitute that he is to leave the field. A player is also replaced when the entering substitute becomes a player."

[whitehat]

The enforcing of this rule has greatly eliminated the need to throw most 15 yard illegal participation flags. If we count fast enough we can usually catch them with 12 before the snap and throw a 5 yard ill sub flag.

The Language "cannot break the huddle with 12" is not in the rule book, as has been pointed out already.

[Canned Heat]

Our crew really does a good job at keeping track and verbalizing "one in...one out"...etc.. I will generally give the huddle a head's up if I see it, but if they do break with 12 and then come to the line, then realize they do have 12 and one tries to run off, I'll kill it there and hit the 5 yard Sub. Inf.

I seem to remember the "breaking with 12" being brought up by Dave Anderson here in WI some years back in a transparency....maybe RichMSN can recall that.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by IMSports007

What's the official interpretation on this rule?

It's NOT a penalty as far as I can tell in NFHS.

Any thoughts?

A replaced player must leave the field immediately.

In the past, the NFHS has defined immediately as 3-5 seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a huddle.