Scrimmage Kick, kicked out of K's end zone

[bossman72]

Flag the spot of the kick. Ball is dead when it crosses the endline, give safety signal.

Penalty accepted - enforced from own end zone - safety. 10-5-4
Penalty declined - ball dead in K's own end zone not in player possession and K responsible for forcing it there - safety. 8-5-2b

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Flag the spot of the kick. Ball is dead when it crosses the endline, give safety signal.

Penalty accepted - enforced from own end zone - safety. 10-5-4
Penalty declined - ball dead in K's own end zone not in player possession and K responsible for forcing it there - safety. 8-5-2b

Why flag the spot of the kick? What's the foul?

[ump33]

From the OP, it reads as if the "kicker" never recovered the bad snap and kicked the ball while it was loose ... Illegal Kick, Spot Foul

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why flag the spot of the kick? What's the foul?

Illegal kicking... he didn't specify that he picked it back up and punted it, so I assume illegal kick.

[ANewRef]

He did not pick up the ball....simply kicked while it was rolling on ground in end zone.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ANewRef

He did not pick up the ball....simply kicked while it was rolling on ground in end zone.

I see. That's illegal.

So you asked about mechanics. Here are some:

1. Flag the spot of the foul (endzone).
2. Signal safety as the result of the play.
3. Offer choice to R:

a. take the result of the play, a safety

b. take the penalty, a safety (not much of a choice)

4. Have K free kick from their 20.

[With_Two_Flakes]

As it happens, since the foul was in the EZ then the result is the same whether the penalty is accepted or not - Safety.
But you flag it anyway as it looks odd not to flag it. I train my guys to keep it simple and follow their routine. In this case - see the foul, take a second and replay it in your head, decide "Yes thats a foul", flag it and keep officiating. Don't over-analyse and start thinking about the enforcement while you are still officiating.
I use the same philosophy for bagging fumbles - bag them all and keep officiating, worry about whether you actually need that spot later on.

What if the foul had been on the 1 yd line? I have seen officials over here in the UK (where we play NCAA rules and illegal kicking also caries a loss of down) who don't flag it, just go with the safety and only later do they realise that maybe B would prefer to forgo the safety, take the penalty and get a 1st and goal.

[whitehat]

Yes a safety no matter what:

NF - not wanting to change the subject, a minor detail, but technically there is no need to bean bag a fumble behind the nuetral zone. If a penalty occurs the basic spot is the previous spot as the fumble or kick or snap is a loose ball play...