How do you identify eligible/ineligible recievers?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by kdf5

Am I right or am I right?

That would seem to depend on what your objective was. If it was to solidify and support all your considerable and consistent hard work to establish yourself as an obstinant, niggling child locked into single-mindedness, I'd say you are progressing famously towards your objective.

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by ajmc

How I wish mixing dots and dashes or using too many words were my biggest mistakes, or flaws.

OMG I don't even want to know what you have that is worse! (how's that for sarcasm?)

Originally Posted by ajmc

I learned long ago that, "getting in the last word" is usually greatly overrated and anyone can always have the last word, but doing so just doesn't mean a whole lot, especially when the subject doesn't amount to very much.

Now if you would ony use that knowledge.

Originally Posted by ajmc

or you could add something worthwhile, that pertains to the original question, or you could just conclude you have nothing of any value
to offer. Trust me, you won't be the first to reach that conclusion.

You may begin at any time.

[kdf5]

Al, what was wrong with simply saying "that's right, rules use dashes and case book plays use dots"? Why did you have to write three paragraphs full of snotty comments instead? Are you that small of a person?

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by daggo66

OMG I don't even want to know what you have that is worse! (how's that for sarcasm?)

Here's a hint: ...loud fart in church....

[With_Two_Flakes]

Guys, can we try to stay on topic here and stick to helping Brandon understand the eligible/ineligible issue?

He has had the good sense to come here to seek help - lets not put him off.

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes

Guys, can we try to stay on topic here and stick to helping Brandon understand the eligible/ineligible issue?

He has had the good sense to come here to seek help - lets not put him off.

Thank you With_Two_Flakes. If you guys wanna argue please PM each other.

Now in an attempt to get back on topic, Where is illegal touching enforced from? in the NF rule book it says the "basic spot". Would this be a loose ball foul and be enforced from the previous spot? or is it the succeeding spot since the play becomes a running play after the ball is caught and secured by the ineligible? Also if an ineligible catches the ball, is the play blown dead or is it still live until the ineligible is tackled or reaches the end zone? (I feel I know the answer to my last question I just want to be sure.)

[mikesears]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

Thank you With_Two_Flakes. If you guys wanna argue please PM each other.

Now in an attempt to get back on topic, Where is illegal touching enforced from? in the NF rule book it says the "basic spot". Would this be a loose ball foul and be enforced from the previous spot? or is it the succeeding spot since the play becomes a running play after the ball is caught and secured by the ineligible? Also if an ineligible catches the ball, is the play blown dead or is it still live until the ineligible is tackled or reaches the end zone? (I feel I know the answer to my last question I just want to be sure.)

Hopefully you will quickly learn who you can learn from and who you should ignore.

Now onto your questions.

Illegal touching is handled under all but one principle. Illegal touching by an ineligible will always be a loose ball play. If an ineligible illegally touches a pass behind the line of scrimmage, it is enforced from the spot of the foul. If ahead of the line, it is enforced from the previous spot.

Illegal touching does not cause the ball to become dead. NO live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

And may I offer a suggestion? If you have other questions other than what the original post was about, you will likely get more responses by starting a new thread.

[kdf5]

You guys are right, my apologies.

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by mikesears

Hopefully you will quickly learn who you can learn from and who you should ignore.

Now onto your questions.

Illegal touching is handled under all but one principle. Illegal touching by an ineligible will always be a loose ball play. If an ineligible illegally touches a pass behind the line of scrimmage, it is enforced from the spot of the foul. If ahead of the line, it is enforced from the previous spot.

Illegal touching does not cause the ball to become dead. NO live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

And may I offer a suggestion? If you have other questions other than what the original post was about, you will likely get more responses by starting a new thread.

Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in mind when asking questions. I was pretty sure it WASN'T blown dead but just wanted to make sure. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by kdf5

You guys are right, my apologies.

Apology accepted No harm, No foul

[KWH]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in mind when asking questions. I was pretty sure it WASN'T blown dead but just wanted to make sure. Thanks again.

Brandon,
Let me jump right in! So you don't get off on the wrong foot, there is no situation in NFHS football where a penalty causes the ball to become dead or "blown dead" as you stated.

Source: Football Fundamental IX. 1) No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

While this is not the case in other codes of football, it is most certainly the case in NFHS.

[trocared]

becuase of the previous pissing match, I glazed over many of the posts...As a wing, if a player is covered up, I say the number of the covered up player, aloud to myself, to remind me to be aware of: 1. If the play begins as a pass, I locate that covered up player, and 2: when ball is passed over the neutral zone, will throw the flag if he is downfield.
While this forum is of great value to all officials, finding a mentor, talking his ear off while treating him to a meal, is of greater value still. Most experienced officials would love to take an eager, open official under their wing.
Good luck,
tro

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by KWH

Brandon,
Let me jump right in! So you don't get off on the wrong foot, there is no situation in NFHS football where a penalty causes the ball to become dead or "blown dead" as you stated.

Source: Football Fundamental IX. 1) No live ball foul causes the ball to become dead.

While this is not the case in other codes of football, it is most certainly the case in NFHS.

But according to discussions here, play is to be whistled dead when it becomes clear a hideout play is in progress, although it's treated otherwise as if it were a dead ball foul.

Robert in the Bronx

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by trocared

becuase of the previous pissing match, I glazed over many of the posts...As a wing, if a player is covered up, I say the number of the covered up player, aloud to myself, to remind me to be aware of: 1. If the play begins as a pass, I locate that covered up player, and 2: when ball is passed over the neutral zone, will throw the flag if he is downfield.
While this forum is of great value to all officials, finding a mentor, talking his ear off while treating him to a meal, is of greater value still. Most experienced officials would love to take an eager, open official under their wing.
Good luck,
tro

Thanks for the encouragement, What exactly is a covered up player?

[With_Two_Flakes]

By "covered up", he means someone on the line with an eligible number who is supposed to be on the end of the line. But they are not on the end of the line because someone out wide, who should be off the line has messed up and is on the line and therefore "covering him up".

Example:- Formation should be,

..................82..71..68..55..62..77........89
..84

but #84 messes up and it actually is

..84.............82..71..68..55..62..77........89

so #82 is "covered up" because of #84's mistake.

[HLin NC]

What exactly is a covered up player?

Most commonly applied to the normally eligible TE where the SE or Flanker is on the line of scrimmage along side him

i.e. SE TGCGT TE FL


the flanker has "covered up" the TE in this formation, thus making him a lineman.
As long as he doesn't go downfield (expanded neutral zone) on a pass beyond the NZ or its a running play, he's legal. A power running team will line up like this all night with no problem.

To be legally downfield, the formation would need to be thus-

SE TGCGT TE
FL



now the TE is on the end of the line and eligible.

Covered up can also happen when a slot receiver lines up incorrectly on the LOS with the end.

SE FL TGCGT TE