Can an official besides the WH eject players/coaches if he sees fit?

[Brandon Kincer]

Please help me out on this. Ive been a referee for two years now and plan to get certified this season.

[HLin NC]

Yes-if it meets the parameters for an ejection in the rules.

[Brandon Kincer]

I guess what im asking in short is: If I see a foul that is cause for ejection and I am NOT the White Hat, What are the proper channels I would have to go through to eject that player or coach?

[Jim D.]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

I guess what im asking in short is: If I see a foul that is cause for ejection and I am NOT the White Hat, What are the proper channels I would have to go through to eject that player or coach?

You go to the referee after the play is over and tell the WH that you have such and such a foul and that #82 is ejected for (fill in the reason).

The WH will give the signals. You and the WH should then go over to the team's head coach and you should tell the HC that #82 has been ejected and explain to him why.

Unless you're a really new official, the WH shouldn't question your ejection. If you're a rookie and you ejected him for saying "Oh, darn", the the WH might suggest you rethink it, but it's your call all the way. The WH does not get a vote on it, not can he overrule your call.

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

You go to the referee after the play is over and tell the WH that you have such and such a foul and that #82 is ejected for (fill in the reason).

The WH will give the signals. You and the WH should then go over to the team's head coach and you should tell the HC that #82 has been ejected and explain to him why.

Unless you're a really new official, the WH shouldn't question your ejection. If you're a rookie and you ejected him for saying "Oh, darn", the the WH might suggest you rethink it, but it's your call all the way. The WH does not get a vote on it, not can he overrule your call.

Wtih that Being said, Can a White hat over rule any penalty that you call or is he there for the sole purpose of settling disputes among the officials?

[Jim D.]

A WH can't overrule another official. Now we all (no matter what position we're working) will talk to another crew member if we think he's wrong, and we should never let the crew make a mistake.

A WH should always respect your flag. If he doesn't, you might as well stay home. The only way he should overrule you is if you're wrong (you called it illegal motion and it was clearly and illegal shift, or you penalized the player for a PF for cussing instead of USC, etc. The penalty still stands, he just gets to correct the call.)

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

Please help me out on this. Ive been a referee for two years now and plan to get certified this season.

CANADIAN RULING:

Absolutely. In fact, I do not believe that the Referee has the authority to overrule this call, either.

It should be noted, however, that the R, or the CC, should be in a position to provide input where needed - so if a first year official ejects someone, the R or CC should be forthcoming to gather info to make sure that such a penalty should in fact be exercised.

[Brandon Kincer]

I dont want to seem like a jerk to you guys. Im excited to learn. I just dont want a guy that is expierenced who I COULD be learning from just tryin to make me into an example of his authority. Im out there to make judgement calls to the best of my ability and thats what I want to do. On a better note: I would like to announce to the people that have replied to my posts on this board and are honestly tryin to help me out that I have passed my state exam for football and will be recieveing my patch sometime soon. I can now call myself a certified official for football and I am very proud to be behind a state patch this year!

[mikesears]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

I dont want to seem like a jerk to you guys. Im excited to learn. I just dont want a guy that is expierenced who I COULD be learning from just tryin to make me into an example of his authority. Im out there to make judgement calls to the best of my ability and thats what I want to do. On a better note: I would like to announce to the people that have replied to my posts on this board and are honestly tryin to help me out that I have passed my state exam for football and will be recieveing my patch sometime soon. I can now call myself a certified official for football and I am very proud to be behind a state patch this year!

Congrats Brandon. I hope you can find someone to be a good mentor and you can learn a lot of good stuff from them. Welcome to the world of the patched official.

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer

I dont want to seem like a jerk to you guys. Im excited to learn. I just dont want a guy that is expierenced who I COULD be learning from just tryin to make me into an example of his authority. Im out there to make judgement calls to the best of my ability and thats what I want to do. On a better note: I would like to announce to the people that have replied to my posts on this board and are honestly tryin to help me out that I have passed my state exam for football and will be recieveing my patch sometime soon. I can now call myself a certified official for football and I am very proud to be behind a state patch this year!

Congratulations!

The thing to remember is this:

Officials are not special. As a group, we exhibit the exact same group dynamics and spread of competency as any other group. You will run into some bad officials, who make bad decisions for the wrong reasons. You will run into some great officials who really "get it" and understand how to do their job.

And you will run into the vast majority of officials who fall somewhere in between.

The trick isn't in making sure you are "right", as opposed to the boneheads you sometimes will run into. In fact, the best thing you can do about them is to forget them to the extent that it causes you *any* distress. It isn't worth getting worked up over them - their only value is as an object lesson about what not to do. And what you ought not to do is almost never really about some particular mechanic or even particular issue - it is about attitude and ego.

The real trick, the useful skill, is identifying those few exceptional officials, then stealing from them outrageously so you can become one of them. And the thing you will notice about them, once you figure out how to identify them, is that what sets them apart more often than not is their attitude and their ability to be self-critical.

JMO, of course. Best of luck in your continuing career.

[Brandon Kincer]

Some encouraging advice. I will take that to heart. Thank you both.

I may be excited over a little bit of nothing but I am also a proud NASO member although its taking them forever to get my stuff to me such as my membership card and my athletic VIP card.

[With_Two_Flakes]

.....although its taking them forever to get my stuff to me such as my membership card and my athletic VIP card.

Heh, heh. Imagine what it is like to be in Europe then. Actually in the last few years they have improved, but Ref Mag used to take 2-3 months to get here. Actually wasn't too much of an issue since our season and our Rules changes take place 6 months after the US.

Congrats on getting your patch. Also congrats on joining NASO. I was a member (one of their few European members) for many years. I still subscribe to REFEREE mag, but no longer bother with the NASO membership - I only really had it to cover me insurance wise on trips to the US when I worked occasional high school and small college games.
Some folks on these boards are not so crazy about Ref Mag, but I feel you will learn a lot from reading it - not just the football related stuff but the general officiating philosophy. I read it cover to cover even though (as a Brit) I'm clueless about half of what I read in the baseball and basketball sections. I guess you guys would be if they had a cricket section! Just because someone is writing about another sport, doesn't mean I can't pick up philosophy tips from them.