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waltjp Sat Jan 03, 2009 09:51pm

I also flagged this action in a HS game this year. Turns out our cadet instructor was in the stands watching the game. His son, who is also on his football crew, teaches at the home school.

After the game he contacted me and let me know that it was a good call and he planned on sharing the story with his class of cadets.

OverAndBack Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:37am

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Originally Posted by MJT (Post 563975)
Humm, a fan (from Utah) saying "I don't know why a shift is permitted in some instances and not others" when the call (and the correct call) went against his team. :eek: :rolleyes: ;);)


Not to mention "Utes Deserve strong consideration for #1 after that victory IMOHO!!!!"

mbyron Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:11am

The Utah HC was pissed at the call, but it was clearly designed to make the defense encroach. LDUB has cited the correct rules reference (though you might have cited the source, Luke).

Good call.

OverAndBack Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Spence (Post 563889)
Is that rhetorical or are you asking?

I'm asking. Because I didn't see it.

Quote:

What is the definition of simulating action? They certainly shifted "hard" which I guess could be a simulation of action.
It's like porn. You may not be able to define it, but you know it when you see it.

ajmc Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:00pm

As we all know, what's planned, designed, practiced and beaten into the minds of players isn't what is always executed during a game. It really doesn't matter what the coaches believe satisfies the rule requirements, it's entirely dependent on what the covering official believes, and actually sees.

When teams design something to run so close to the line defining legal from illegal, PRESUMING it's OK, they have to accept the risk that their calculations may not fall on the same side of that line as the covering official's.

bossman72 Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:39pm

Was the play similar to this one:

YouTube - LSU Football - Silly 4th Down vs Bama

jaybird Sun Jan 04, 2009 07:45pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 564215)
Was the play similar to this one:

YouTube - LSU Football - Silly 4th Down vs Bama

Yep

Forksref Sun Jan 04, 2009 08:57pm

I saw it and I agree with the call. Good job by the officials.

ChickenOfNC Mon Jan 05, 2009 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by grantsrc (Post 564039)
I called this once this year in a HS game and got grilled by the HC. I asked him, why did your line shift that way? Not sure I ever got an answer....

That's funny. Nearly the same thing happened to me:

After flagging his team for false start, the coach went ballistic. I finally asked the coach what his intent was in having them shift so abruptly, and his response was "to draw the defense offsides". I advised him that was the end of our discussion.

OverAndBack Mon Jan 05, 2009 02:17pm

Coach, this is your own petard. Enjoy.


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