No one saw it!

[umpjeremy]

In Kansas they are pushing extremely hard that on every play and every down the wings stay on the sidelines. On a try where it's going to obviously be for two, my BJ is going to be at the back of the endzone opposite me, the Umpire. So if I'm lined up right side 5 yards off the los, he's going to be left side at the back of the ez. My wings are way out of position to make a call. This will probably be one of those where I'll turn to my wings and just give a subtle thumbs up for seeing the ball cross in clean hands. I won't throw up the signal just hold my thumb up or down in front of me and turn so that one or the other can see my signal.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by umpjeremy

In Kansas they are pushing extremely hard that on every play and every down the wings stay on the sidelines. On a try where it's going to obviously be for two, my BJ is going to be at the back of the endzone opposite me, the Umpire. So if I'm lined up right side 5 yards off the los, he's going to be left side at the back of the ez. My wings are way out of position to make a call. This will probably be one of those where I'll turn to my wings and just give a subtle thumbs up for seeing the ball cross in clean hands. I won't throw up the signal just hold my thumb up or down in front of me and turn so that one or the other can see my signal.

We've done it this way every year since I started 8 years ago and it works just fine. Most of the time it is very obvious that the runner got into the end zone. Otherwise the wings come running in at the half yard line until they find the ball and give their signal (short or TD). The umpire can definitely help if he knows for sure the ball got in but the signal should still be the wing. It may take some getting used to but it does work and looks much better.

[trocared]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: In reading through the thread, no one has said to rule the try unsuccessful. For those that might be thinking that, but have not posted, answer this simple rhetorical question: If the Team A coach asked you where (on what yardline) the ball became dead, what would you tell him??

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[The Cynic]

Alright guys... here is the infamous play. Parepat has provided most of the details correctly with an exception or two. You will see the back judge run in (not just stand there), but he never locates the ball carrier.

I am curious... do you think he gets in or not?

When you click on the link, you will find that the quality is bad but underneath the video is an option to "watch in high quality", sometimes it will let you do that and other times it won't. Either way, watch #21 get up in the endzone and the officials' handling of the situation.

I hope it is something that everyone can learn from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9V7aRFLYc

[svm1010]

Originally Posted by Jim D

Carey was a WH not a wing. The wings have to come in on an apparent goal line plunge into the line. It's a critical call and it just can't be done from the sideline. It would be rare that they'd be caught by a fake for more than a second or two, but if they did they can stop. I agree that you don't need all officials within a couple feet of each other, but the wings have to get the call.

to add, a responsible Wing should be crashing the pile, but must also be aware of the surrounding area and not crash carelessly incase the runner bounces out wide. by crashing in contol the wing should be able to retreat and keep play in front of them.

[Bad Mood Risin]

I've had that exact play. A was trailing by with ball at the 1 when they called their last TO with 0:02 remaining. They split both wings all the way to the sidelines then snuck the ball up the middle. There was a huge pile on the goal line. When the U found the ball, it was in A's possession about 6 inches inside the endzone.

Because no one saw it until we found it in the EZ, we called it a TD.

We got in a bit of hot water becasue the L, who was on the same side of the field as the camera, slowly moved in and stuck a foot forward, as if he had a spot. The film was sent to the association asking the commissioner why it was called a TD if he had a spot. In fact, he had no spot, but was hedging in case he needed to act as if he did -- a piece of poor officiating, really.