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Mike L Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:43am

I guess I'm the weird one. I only carry one flag. In 12 years I have yet to have a need for a second flag. That said, I know I've whammied myself for this season. I do carry 2 bean bags though.

JRutledge Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN
It will be a cold day in hell before I put white tape on a flag. I'm a referee, there's no need to hide the fact I have and carry a flag.

That said, I do carry two flags - one in the belt and one buried deep in the back pocket. That back pocket one comes out about once every two years.

You do not have to put tape on them, just buy the flags with the white tip or weighted part. :D

Before that I would tape the flags only because I did not want people to easily see when I reached for the flag. Since doing so I have not seen one person every say that you were about to throw a flag and decided not to. It is just one less thing for them to complain about.

Peace

grantsrc Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:27pm

I personally don't see the need for a taped or white balled flag in the first place. Everyone knows we carry them so why go to extra measures to hid it?

As for the reaching aspect, if someone saw me reach and then didn't throw and said something about it, I would respond with "I thought about it more and it wasn't a foul" or something like that. I know some people raise heck about seeing an official reach, or even pull and put away, but I really don't see what the big deal is.

With_Two_Flakes Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:42pm

Absolutely 2 flags. One in the belt and the other deep in a pocket.

I'm with Jim D about two beanbags, I work exactly the same beanbag mechanics as he described - taking out the 2nd one from a pocket when I cover kicks. Having it in my hand forces me to remember when I need to use it.

Rich Wed Aug 06, 2008 03:38pm

I carry two bags as a referee.

At least once a season one of my guys loses one on a poorly lit or snow covered field and I can help out. I usually keep it in a place where it doesn't get in the way.

Of course, last season I was about 8 minutes before kickoff for a HS playoff game and noticed I didn't have my whistle. Umpire offered me his, but I thought better of it and had game management go to the locker room with directions (and a reminder that the game can't start without the R's whistle :D).

Texas Aggie Wed Aug 06, 2008 04:36pm

2 flags always, regardless of position. One can be tucked down in front or back pocket. BJ and deep flanks (or LJ in 4 man crew) need 2 bean bags. Classic example: punt where team A illegally touches it (bag it) and then B recovers (bag it).

Texas Aggie Wed Aug 06, 2008 04:38pm

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snow covered field
I have problems with this too. Especially early in the season.

jjrye22 Thu Aug 07, 2008 05:48am

Two flags - second in my back pocket.
Two beanbags - but I don't think I've ever used both on one play.

I'm surprised by how many have written that they would only need a second flag once every x years.

Even just an illegal formation then a facemask on the play would cover it. I don't get to be BJ much, but all other positions seem to have enough possibilities to carry the 2nd.

tjones1 Thu Aug 07, 2008 08:56am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN
I carry two bags as a referee.

At least once a season one of my guys loses one on a poorly lit or snow covered field and I can help out. I usually keep it in a place where it doesn't get in the way.

Of course, last season I was about 8 minutes before kickoff for a HS playoff game and noticed I didn't have my whistle. Umpire offered me his, but I thought better of it and had game management go to the locker room with directions (and a reminder that the game can't start without the R's whistle :D).

Isn't your whistle rule number 2? Only preceeded by making sure you zipped your fly? ;)

I'm in the same boat but in basketball. Luckly, I carry a spare in my jacket.

ajmc Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:26am

The longer you officiate, the greater the odds you'll forget to address even your Rule #1. Carrying a spare whistle in one of your front pockets won't slow you down much at all.

Careyy Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:53pm

Rule 1-5-3
 
Says a player cannot wear penalty-marker colored pads or gloves. So does your "white" ball flag make a players white pad, illegal? I know I'm splitting hairs here, but there is a reasonable expectation that officials have penalty markers, the whole "let's cover them up" seems a bit off base. I've seen one sr official have his newbies cover the balls with black tape and then tell them to make the black fit on a black strip on the shirt. Appearance is important, but the goal is to get the call(s) right. Do that enough times and they won't worry about how many flags you carry or if the balls are yellow and showing.

tjones1 Thu Aug 07, 2008 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by Careyy
Says a player cannot wear penalty-marker colored pads or gloves. So does your "white" ball flag make a players white pad, illegal?

No.

Niner Thu Aug 07, 2008 09:17pm

I've never purchased a flag. Thirty-five year ago, when they went from red flags to yellow flags, my wife made me two yellow nylon flags and sewed in a center square with b-b's in it. Wrapped with rubber bands, they've lasted thru the years, but I only carry one at a time, years ago in my back pocket, but in recent years in my belt in front. No white tape, thank you. If I every had a second foul, I would throw my hat; but I just call them one at a time.

Bob M. Fri Aug 08, 2008 09:55am

REPLY: My former referee related that before the time of gold flags (also before my time), we held our association banquet at a restaurant that made the unfortunate mistake of putting red napkins on the table. Needless to say, they never made that mistake again.

Ed Hickland Fri Aug 08, 2008 01:12pm

I've never figured the wisdom of covering the ball of the flag with white tape in order to keep the flag from showing. Everybody knows we have them.

I have always gone with two flags, although, my second flag is small and does not have a balled weight. My intention is to have it available for those few occasions when required.

Also carry two bean bags, first one is worn on my belt and the second a small 3 inch by 1 inch bag is kept in the back pocket.

Interesting part is years ago I wore my flag in the back pocket until one day I thought about throwing it, put my hand on it, and then decided no. Of course, a coach saw the action and yelled, "Go ahead and throw it." From that day forward the flag was in the front.

My line judge used to like to wear his two flags in the front with the two balls showing until I stongly suggested putting one out of sight. Of course, there are those who wear two flags one hanging out of each pocket reminding you of the old gunslingers.


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