Hines Ward - Good Guy, Thug, or Somewhere In The Middle?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Ahhh, finally, someone besides me calls Jeff out on the race issue. And that is exactly what he's making this -- a race issue.

Race is an issue I deal with on a regular basis. Whether it is overt or it is under the radar. If you think I am upset because you "call me out on it" then you have a lot to learn about me and this country. We just had race interjected in the current election and there was a Golf Channel Commentator that made some comments so this topic is not going away. And when people make comments about someone's criminal background (which the word Thug implies and is the definition of the word), then I have the right to point that out. Now if you do not want comments then do not post something that everyone can read and you will not have to worry about what I or others think. And I do not care if I am the only one that finds it odd (but it was pointed out by another poster BTW). I will stop talking about race when people that are not my color stop talking to me about it or implying things about me and others only on the basis of what I look like.

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Race is an issue I deal with on a regular basis. Whether it is overt or it is under the radar. If you think I am upset because you "call me out on it" then you have a lot to learn about me and this country. We just had race interjected in the current election and there was a Golf Channel Commentator that made some comments so this topic is not going away. And when people make comments about someone's criminal background (which the word Thug implies and is the definition of the word), then I have the right to point that out. Now if you do not want comments then do not post something that everyone can read and you will not have to worry about what I or others think. And I do not care if I am the only one that finds it odd (but it was pointed out by another poster BTW). I will stop talking about race when people that are not my color stop talking to me about it or implying things about me and others only on the basis of what I look like.

Peace

Just because you are black does not mean you are the only one who deals with race issues on a regular basis. White people encounter it too. And where do you get the idea that I thought you were upset?? I didn't say that at all. I don't believe that the original poster meant that Hines Ward was a criminal just because he used the word thug. Thug has various definitions, and not all of them mean that someone is a criminal.

My point is, you interject race into almost any discussion you can, whether directly or indirectly, and it is generally allowed on the boards. Probably cause Brad and Company fear a lawsuit if they shut you down.

When someone such as myself brings it up, however, it is shut down immediately. Bob?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Just because you are black does not mean you are the only one who deals with race issues on a regular basis. White people encounter it too. And where do you get the idea that I thought you were upset?? I didn't say that at all. I don't believe that the original poster meant that Hines Ward was a criminal just because he used the word thug. Thug has various definitions, and not all of them mean that someone is a criminal.

What do white people encounter? You have a couple of people call you names? Wow!!! Do you have any family members that could not go to a state college which they live and work, but was paid by that state to attend a school outside of the state they live? I cannot speak for you, but I have several. There are 119 Division 1 Football teams in this country. There are about 3 or 4 Head Coaches in football. There are more than 50% of the athletes are not white. But when it comes to Athletic Directors, Coaches and other positions that require a background in this particular sport, the numbers of non-whites are minimal.

The definition of the word thug says: 1. Brutal Person: somebody, especially a criminal, who is brutal and violent.

I do not even see how what was described even had anything to do with the actions of Ward. I guess people would just like me to call the Blue dumb for not using a word properly rather than calling him a racist. Which by the way I have not said. I just found his comments odd and wondered why he would call someone something that has nothing to do with the behavior he witnessed. If you do not know the power of the words you use, then do not use them.

2. Indian Robber: a member of a former secret organization of robbers in India, worshipers of the goddess Kali, who strangled their victims.


And words associated with thug from a Thesaurus: Hooligan, Gangster, Mugger, Brute, Ruffian and Heavy.

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

My point is, you interject race into almost any discussion you can, whether directly or indirectly, and it is generally allowed on the boards. Probably cause Brad and Company fear a lawsuit if they shut you down.

When someone such as myself brings it up, however, it is shut down immediately. Bob?

I do not know of the last conversation I had on this site about race. There have been no kinds of discussions in much of any context. Secondly if you do not like talking about race that is your problem. Race is something I live with every day (good or bad). And in the area I live it is always a backdrop because officials are decided many times based on the race of the officials. Now the last time I checked, there were not many African-American assignors where I live. But there are a lot of conferences that involve all-Black teams verse teams that that do not have a single Black student in their school. Then again, if you do not like it, that is your problem. I guess telling the truth hurts.

Peace