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TXMike Fri Dec 28, 2007 08:20am
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadCityRef
I predict POEs for '08:
Helmet to helmet hits.
Pants that actually are long enough to cover the knees.
Sideline control.

And, maybe, adoption of the new basketball rule for the coaches to shut up.


Also, the crew gave UT a sideline warning in the fourth quarter. Mack-baby couldn't believe it. But if it ain't enforced in the Big 12 during the season, the SEC boys get to handle it.
The sidelines are enforced in the Big XII. There, and in all other major conferences, the officials are working so wide it forces the teams to comply. The SEC does not work wide and this may result in teams inching further farther than they should be.

As for your POE's, all 3 are already there.

HLin NC Fri Dec 28, 2007 08:55am
According to internet sources, the "touchee" was Mack Brown's step-son..
http://thesportingorange.blogspot.co...pace-page.html

cmathews Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:16pm
actually no
 
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Originally Posted by CTFBRef
must be a texas fan....
he is a pretty good official, when he is a fan he is an OSU Cowboy fan...

ace Fri Dec 28, 2007 01:14pm
Here is what I dont understand.....

Can you enforce a penalty BASED on a replay?????? I didn't think you could.

And why can't you have an IG on a backwards passs? isn't IG IG?

cmathews Fri Dec 28, 2007 01:18pm
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Originally Posted by ace
Here is what I dont understand.....

Can you enforce a penalty BASED on a replay?????? I didn't think you could.

And why can't you have an IG on a backwards passs? isn't IG IG?
I dont' work in a conference with IR so can't get too involved there. IG on a backwards pass is not illegal because......
A) is it not illegal to throw a backwards pass out of bounds unless it is to save time.
B) if it doesn't get out of bounds it is a live ball and anyone can recover and advance. So there is no advantage to throwing a backwards pass to save yardage, because if no one recovers it it is awarded to the team last in possesion at the dead ball spot.

TXMike Fri Dec 28, 2007 02:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ace
Here is what I dont understand.....

Can you enforce a penalty BASED on a replay?????? I didn't think you could.

And why can't you have an IG on a backwards passs? isn't IG IG?
Fouls can be called after an IR review has provided new "facts" to the R.

IG specifically applies to forward passes. You can have an illegal backward pass, i.e. when thrown deliberately OOB to conserve time, but that is not IG.

BoBo Sat Dec 29, 2007 09:35am
I can understand the views on here that it was probably interference by the sideline but then why did the ref state the penalty on the play was for the sideline personel TOUCHING the ball!?!?!?:eek: :eek:

Where i think most of us agree that it was inconclusive whether the ball was touched or not.

TXMike Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:22am
I thnk it would be fairer to say, SOME of you thnk it was inconclusive.

hawk65 Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by HLin NC
According to internet sources, the "touchee" was Mack Brown's step-son..
http://thesportingorange.blogspot.co...pace-page.html

The "touchee" was the ball. The (possible/alleged/disputed/...) "toucher" was Mack Brown's step-son.

jimpiano Sat Dec 29, 2007 01:14pm
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Originally Posted by TXMike
The play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqRgzjl2m8

Penalty was enforced from previous spot. Appears crew got 2 different fouls and penalties confused and the enforcement reflected a "blend", i.e. 1 certain foul but with the enforcement that is mandated for the other foul.

If the determination was that the ball or other players were interfered with, then the R can enforce any penalty he deems equitable. If he thinks it is equitable to enforce from prev spot. 1/2 the distance, but no replay of down, so be it. I do not think that is what he was doing though.
Under what NCAA provision was that play reviewable?

TXMike Sat Dec 29, 2007 01:17pm
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Originally Posted by jimpiano
Under what NCAA provision was that play reviewable?
12-3-2-g and 12-3-3-j

Ref Ump Welsch Sat Dec 29, 2007 02:35pm
So it's possible next year we could see a review after every play just to make sure there wasn't a penalty on the play? I mean, where will this stop?

Forksref Sat Dec 29, 2007 03:18pm
Whether he touched the ball or not, the Texas sideline should have been flagged. I don't think you can let the wing official off the hook on this one for that reason. At the start of the game, this should have been addressed and, if necessary addressed again soon thereafter.

This is a sideline control issue more than whether the ball was touched or not.

jimpiano Sat Dec 29, 2007 03:43pm
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Originally Posted by TXMike
12-3-2-g and 12-3-3-j
The first is not applicable since there was no dispute that the ball was a backward pass.

The second is a gross misuse of instant replay since the officials on the field made no call on any such infraction.

Using instant replay to go on a fishing expedition is an insult to the fans,coaches and players.

Instant replay is ruining the game and is a travesty.

TXMike Sat Dec 29, 2007 05:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimpiano
The first is not applicable since there was no dispute that the ball was a backward pass.

The second is a gross misuse of instant replay since the officials on the field made no call on any such infraction.

Using instant replay to go on a fishing expedition is an insult to the fans,coaches and players.

Instant replay is ruining the game and is a travesty.
How can you say there was no dispute, the R flagged it initially as IG? Are you even a football official?


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