Carryover fouls

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Can they carry over a last-play football foul from the 4th period to basketball season?

Some leagues do have suspensions that carry from the end of one year to the beginning of another. I wish school-related sports had this policy.

[Reffing Rev.]

We had a lengthy conversation about this at our local meeting this year with the change.

Here is how it was explained by the interpreter present.

Live ball fouls against the defense on successful scoring plays, touchdown, field goal, or PAT. Can always be enforced at the succeeding spot. New this year was added the option after a touchdown to enforce the penalty on the ensuing kickoff (8.2.2)

The interpreter said that the ensuing kickoff assumes a kickoff will follow as a result of the score.

Live ball foul by the team allowing a touchdown with time left in the half: enforcement options include live ball enforcement, succeeding spot enforcement (PAT) or kickoff enforcement. When touchdown is scored with no time left in 1st or 3rd quarter, and penalty is enforced on kickoff, the kickoff is still part of the 2nd or 4th quarter (period not extended for the penalty enforcement)

Live ball foul by the team allowing a touchdown with no time left in the half (when there is not an ensuing kickoff): enforcement options include, live ball enforcements and succeeding spot enforcement (PAT). Cannot carry penalty to second half or to overtime.

Live ball foul by the team allowing a field goal or successful PAT enforcement options are live ball enforcement, or succeeding spot enforcement. Succeeding spot enforcement (when succeeding spot is in 2nd half or overtime) can include in essence carry penalty over. Succeeding spot enforcement never extends a period.

Dead ball foul by a team allowing any score is always enforced on the succeeding spot, which would be the PAT after a touchdown, if the PAT is attempted. And the period is never extended for a dead ball foul.

[Sonofanump]

IMHO. 8.2.2 should be expanded next year to include USC and dead ball PFs.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Some leagues do have suspensions that carry from the end of one year to the beginning of another. I wish school-related sports had this policy.

Some states do this. If a person is ejected from their last football game, they must sit out the first contest of the winter sport season whether it's basketball, wrestling, or whatever they participate in.

Some states just "overlook" the ejection if it was in the last game of the season. I disagree with that, as it's unfair to those who had to serve a suspension during the season.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Some states do this. If a person is ejected from their last football game, they must sit out the first contest of the winter sport season whether it's basketball, wrestling, or whatever they participate in.

Some states just "overlook" the ejection if it was in the last game of the season. I disagree with that, as it's unfair to those who had to serve a suspension during the season.

Darn, I hate it when there are serious answers to my flip joke. I was looking for, "Yeah, a free throw starting the 1st basketball game to enforce a personal foul at the end of the last football game. But if it's an illegal hold, that has to carry over to the 1st wrestling match."

Robert

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Darn, I hate it when there are serious answers to my flip joke. I was looking for, "Yeah, a free throw starting the 1st basketball game to enforce a personal foul at the end of the last football game. But if it's an illegal hold, that has to carry over to the 1st wrestling match."

Robert

I think you're funny, Robert.

[GPC2]

Question #22 from our 2007 State (LA) rules examination:

On a down in which time has expired for the second quarter, Team A scores a touchdown. B2 held during the play. Team A has the option of taking this penalty on the Try or second half kickoff.

The correct answer was False.

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by GPC2

Question #22 from our 2007 State (LA) rules examination:

On a down in which time has expired for the second quarter, Team A scores a touchdown. B2 held during the play. Team A has the option of taking this penalty on the Try or second half kickoff.

The correct answer was False.

Because the 2nd half kickoff is not the 'ensuing' kickoff. The 2nd half kickoff ensues from the fact it is the 2nd half, not the score.

[andy1033]

It is false because this was a live ball foul on the last timed play of the first half and if accepted on the kickoff. the periiod will be extend with an untimed down.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Darn, I hate it when there are serious answers to my flip joke. I was looking for, "Yeah, a free throw starting the 1st basketball game to enforce a personal foul at the end of the last football game. But if it's an illegal hold, that has to carry over to the 1st wrestling match."

Robert

Heh, I'll play nice now. How about...coach, your USC as we were walking off the field will be enforced as a T at the beginning of your first basketball game which I am scheduled to work? LOL.

[sloth]

I scewed this up this Friday night. Long TD run, B committs a personal foul after (and I KNOW it was after...in relation to my last post for the white hats). I came up to call the foul and the official with the flag tells me the foul and that it is enforcable on the PAT or the kick off. We have a little discussion b/c I thought only live ball fouls carried that option. I had all four other officials on my crew swearing up and down that I was wrong (in that it had to be assesed as a succeding spot foul). Aftre digging in the rule book, I was unable to find a solid rule to back his up, but the things I have found seem to indcate that dead ball PF and USC are basically treated the same.

I should have had a little bit more confidence in my own recollection.

[Bullycon]

Originally Posted by sloth

I scewed this up this Friday night. Long TD run, B committs a personal foul after (and I KNOW it was after...in relation to my last post for the white hats). I came up to call the foul and the official with the flag tells me the foul and that it is enforcable on the PAT or the kick off. We have a little discussion b/c I thought only live ball fouls carried that option. I had all four other officials on my crew swearing up and down that I was wrong (in that it had to be assesed as a succeding spot foul). Aftre digging in the rule book, I was unable to find a solid rule to back his up, but the things I have found seem to indcate that dead ball PF and USC are basically treated the same.

I should have had a little bit more confidence in my own recollection.

Rule 8-2-2: "If during a touchdown-scoring play..."

Nothing to do with personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct being the same. The personal foul happened after the play, not during it. Must be enforced on the try.