OSU Purdue Incomplete Pass or Fumble
For anyone who knows the D-I college rules & saw the OSU game Saturday night. The OSU QB started his passing motion to a TE across the middle. About have way through his motion, he stopped the throwing motion and the ball came out of his grasp. The ruling on the filed was a fumble. It looked like a fumble as no one had contacted the QB, he just changed his mind because the TE was covered & lost control of the ball.
The replay official overturned the fumble to a incomplete pass. Could some one please explain why the replay official overturned the call on the field? :confused: |
Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure that if the arm is going forward and the ball comes out, it is a fumble.
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Because of the way loose balls are defined, it is thus possible to have an involuntary pass or a voluntary fumble. For example, if someone were to attempt the equivalent of what would be a "leave pass" in soccer or hockey by laying the ball on the ground, that would be a fumble rather than a pass in USAn football. That determination would have relevance in terms of the 4th down fumble rules in NCAA & NFL. Robert |
REPLY: There is a statement in the definition of passing whaich says that when in question, it is an incomplete pass rather than a fumble during an attempted forward pass.
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"A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball first strikes the ground . . . or anything beyond the spot of the pass." Rule 2-19-2a. The replay official saw that the ball after release from the QB's forward-moving arm struck the ground "beyond the spot of the pass." Thus, incomplete pass by rule.
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Yes - if the QB is moving his arm forward in a passing motion, and the ball comes out, it's a forward pass. Your first post says fumble (which is why the first response to you was "What?!?!?!") |
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I believe w sohl hit the nail on the head. The R very well could have thought this was an incomplete pass but went with fumble so replay could take a look. That's the philosophy they teach those guys. When in doubt, it's a fumble. That doesn't excuse them from stepping up and making an incomplete call when it's there but I totally agree that if there is a little bit of doubt, go with fumble.
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So if we all agree that it was a pass then why wouldn't it be intentional grounding because there were no receivers in the area.:confused:
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He didn't INTEND to Throw the ball???:)
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