Forward pass doubt

[parepat]

Originally Posted by dvasques

Once again, here I am. This time I have a doubt about a penalty enforcement.
And, once again, I am sorry that I'm asking all this doubts about NFL rules in this forum. Maybe you guys will shed some High School light on me and I'll be able to change this rule down here in Rio.

NFL Rule 8-1-Penalty c states:

For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the pass.

Then, on a Suplemental Note it states:
When a distance in Penalty 8-1-c (the above)leaves the ball in advance of the necessary line, it is first-and-10 for the offense.

So... let's say it's 3rd and 1 for A at B45. A9 scrambles and starts running forward. At B35, A9 launches a forward pass that is complete at B30.
So, the pass happened at B35 and that's your point of enforcement. So the ball will be pulled back to B40.
B40 is beyond the necessary line.

So by commiting this foul, team A won't really be penalized because those 5 yards they lost are not going to matter since As got first-and-10 at B40?

And what happened to the loss of down? At the very least, shouldn't it be second-and-10 for A at B40?

I really love football....But....if I lived in Rio, I don't think I'd be officiating.

[dvasques]

know what you mean... but there's no way to know

[With_Two_Flakes]

dvasques - you should try to persuade your association to use NCAA Rules rather than NFL Rules. They are the most widely used Rules in the World outside North America. Australia, New Zealand, Japan, S Korea plus the 20 European countries in EFAF all use NCAA rules.

IFAF use NCAA Rules for international games eg the recent World Cup 2007 competion held in Japan between Korea, France, USA, Sweden, Japan, Germany.

Better Rules questions support concerning NCAA Rules from folks on Officiating forums such as this one, REfstripes etc, etc.

[dvasques]

Didn't know that when I translated the NFL rules and we decided to use'em. Know better now and I'll start pushing for NCAA rules. Problem is we don't get many NCAA games on TV here. And since most of the players "know" the rules only by watching games, every rule that's different will be a problem. But to make officiating easier I'll face that problem

[Bitsy Arena]

DVASQUES This link may help you on your way, they seem to be at a similar level to you.

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Renegades