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[bisonlj]

On one of OSU's touchdowns, the announcers were saying the officials missed an obvious pick play. The receivers crossed and the defenders ran into each other (no contact was made by the offensive players). I don't believe this is a foul. Am I correct?

[MJT]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

On one of OSU's touchdowns, the announcers were saying the officials missed an obvious pick play. The receivers crossed and the defenders ran into each other (no contact was made by the offensive players). I don't believe this is a foul. Am I correct?

You would be correct. Look in rule 7-5 and for there to be PI, A or B must interfere with an eligible opponent's opportunity to move toward, catch or bat the pass. If they run into each other and A did not interfere with B, B just ran into his own man, you have no foul.

Now, you could have a foul without contact if B went out his way to avoid contact with A and two B players ran into each other, but that is not how you worded it. If in crossing, B did not go out of their way to avoid contact with A, but ran into another B defender, you'd have no foul.

[parepat]

Another question about the game.

Disclaimer

My judgment regarding this play may have been impaired due to:

1. Overconsumption of alcohol

2. glare from my scarlet and gray glasses.

But, It looked to me that the contact on the snapper which drew the roughing call did not occur until after the snapper had had stood up and was facing the defender.

We (Federation) have been taught to protect the center until they are no longer vulnerable (ie head up, etc.)

Is there a difference in the Fed and NCAA rule?

Am I all wet about what I thought I saw?

[MJT]

Originally Posted by parepat

Another question about the game.

Disclaimer

My judgment regarding this play may have been impaired due to:

1. Overconsumption of alcohol

2. glare from my scarlet and gray glasses.



But, It looked to me that the contact on the snapper which drew the roughing call did not occur until after the snapper had had stood up and was facing the defender.

We (Federation) have been taught to protect the center until they are no longer vulnerable (ie head up, etc.)

Is there a difference in the Fed and NCAA rule?

Am I all wet about what I thought I saw?

He never did get his head up, and I didn't think he kept it down for an abnormal amount of time. I'm thinking it was the alcohol.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by MJT

...Now, you could have a foul without contact if B went out his way to avoid contact with A and two B players ran into each other, but that is not how you worded it. If in crossing, B did not go out of their way to avoid contact with A, but ran into another B defender, you'd have no foul.

REPLY: I'm not sure that's true for either Federation or NCAA. It's true for KCI if B has to avoid an A player, but not (I don't think) for OPI/DPI. OPI/DPI require contact except for Federatio faceguarding. Anyone else?

[MJT]

I am thinking of how you can have DPI when B cuts off the route, but you do have contact usually in that. Don't you think, however, that you could "interfere" without contact.

Here is the play. A84 and A80 run a crossing route. Defender B36 is one step behind A80 and has to take a drastic swerve in his persuit to avoid running into A84 and does so, barely avoiding all contact. He loses several steps in his persuit, and A80 catches the ball and runs for a TD.

What do you think?

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by MJT

I am thinking of how you can have DPI when B cuts off the route, but you do have contact usually in that. Don't you think, however, that you could "interfere" without contact.

Here is the play. A84 and A80 run a crossing route. Defender B36 is one step behind A80 and has to take a drastic swerve in his persuit to avoid running into A84 and does so, barely avoiding all contact. He loses several steps in his persuit, and A80 catches the ball and runs for a TD.

What do you think?

REPLY: I don't think there's a foul there Monte. A pick play involves an offensive player going out and initiating contact with a defender for the express purpose of taking him out of coverage. If the defender swerves to avoid that contact, I don't believe there's a foul.

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: I don't think there's a foul there Monte. A pick play involves an offensive player going out and initiating contact with a defender for the express purpose of taking him out of coverage. If the defender swerves to avoid that contact, I don't believe there's a foul.

I agree with you Bob, if B moves to avoid contact he has just taken himself out of the play. No foul.