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What to call
Two scenarios - Ball carrier is on the 5 yd line when offense clips defender on the 35. Block in back / spot of foul - PF / suceeding spot OR USC / Suceeding spot.
#2 - Ball carrier on the 25 same foul as above - Thanks |
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If the foul occurred 30 yards behind the play I'd probably go for a personal foul. It definitely wouldn't be a USC because of the contact.
If it happens 10 yards behind the play with the ball carrier on the 25 I'd probably go with a block in the back providing the defender was near the blocker. Penalize from the spot of the foul. Generally you need to determine if the defender was out of the play.
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If the hit has nothing to do with the play, it is UR. If the block could be constued as a tactical hit for blocking purposes, it is blocking from the rear. UR: 15y from PBH, convert, resulting KO, induced KO (if last play of half), next quarter (if last play of quarter), or OT (if last play of game). BFR: 15y from PBH. Bottom line: ref decides - it's why we get paid and what we learn from studying.
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(I think I even referred to the foul as a 'block in the back'.)
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The foul in the OP was a clip. You didn't say you were modifying the OP, only that you would call a block in the back in some instances.
Now, if the foul is a block in the back, clipping should never be called. If the block isn't severe (doesn't knock the player down), it could be ignored if away from the play. On the other hand, if it is rough, it could be called unneccessary roughness. And could be live or dead depending on the status of the ball. |
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I sense the issue LIRef is trying to get at is this, would you call the illegal block a live ball or call it a dead ball foul.
The basic premise is one way gives the team a TD and the other does not. One has to assume that the official covering the runner may not have been the official flagging the foul. Time to huddle up and come to an agreement as to did the foul occur before or after the score. Should the flagging official be the same one covering the runner, it shouldn't be a too much of a problem making that determination. The bottom line is to get the result right despite the fact the foul was behind what looks to be a sure score. A totally unnecessary block by the offense player. |
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Take Away the Score or Not?
Think the point of the original question was whether a "stupid" illegal block should negate a sure score.
If all things were equal and done entirely by the book, the foul would be penalized from the basic spot, that is, where the foul occurred. This has been discussed in our Association meeting and consensus was penalize this as a USC, which, is totally wrong because there was contact and it is a personal foul. The reason for the USC it is a method to penalize "correctly" albeit it wrong without taking away the score. Another method was to simply lie about when the foul occurred and say the score had already occurred when the contact occurred. Dead ball foul, penalize from succeeding spot. But what if the runner was tackled on the one yard line? Only a 1/2 yard penalty? The real answer is that coaches should teach players not to block illegally. But, what if, the block was in form legal but thirty yards behind the definite touchdown what is known as "chipping." Same situation as mentioned before applies but now you would be penalizing contact that is legal but unnecessary. I would love to hear other opinions on whether to penalize both the legal and illegal contact on the long touchdown play. |
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"Ball carrier is on the 5 yd line when offense clips defender on the 35. Block in back / spot of foul - PF / suceeding spot OR USC / Suceeding spot." Jeez oh Pete. Relax.
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Rule 9 Conduct of Players and Others Section 4 Illegal Personal Contact Article 3 No player or non-player shall: g. Make any other contact with an opponent which is deemed unnecessary and which incites roughness. Notice, the rule does not differentiate between otherwise legal and illegal contact. It states that any unnecessary contact which incites roughness is illegal. Whether you call it or not depends on your philosophy of what is unnecessary. I am very strict on this myself. I do not tolerate cheap shots way behind the play, even if the contact is from the front and above the waist. If the blockee sees the block coming and has time to prepare for the impact, I usually pass on a call as it is not likely to incite roughness. |
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