Crazy punting situation NFHS

[FredFan7]

Fourth down and 10 for K on their own 15 yard line. Punt formation. The snap sails over the punter's head. It's rolling on the ground at the 1 yard line, where he kicks it forward like a soccer player. The ball is picked up by K9 at the 10 yard line and run 90 yards for a TD with 1:00 remaining in the second quarter.

What's your call? NFHS? NCAA?

I'll tell you what we did later.

[Theisey]

Seems pretty straight forward, so I'm wondering what you guys did.

NCAA: team-B's ball 1/goal from the A-0.5 yard line. Penalty includes LOD.
NFHS: team-A's ball 4/24.5 from the A-0.5 yard line.

No TD in either case.

[Peruvian]

I'd agree because K can't advance any kick. (NFHS)

[AndrewMcCarthy]

Originally Posted by Peruvian

I'd agree because K can't advance any kick. (NFHS)

Rule reference please!

[PSU213]

Originally Posted by Peruvian

I'd agree because K can't advance any kick. (NFHS)

That is not entirely true....K can advance a kick if they recover the ball behind the NZ. In this case, we would have no TD since K's kick was illegal and if R accepts the foul (which we will make sure they do), enforcement of the penalty negates the score.

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by PSU213

... since K's kick was illegal

Are you saying that in NFHS, K cannot kick a scrimmage kick that is on the ground? I don't understand what makes it an illegal kick.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by FredFan7

Fourth down and 10 for K on their own 15 yard line. Punt formation. The snap sails over the punter's head. It's rolling on the ground at the 1 yard line, where he kicks it forward like a soccer player. The ball is picked up by K9 at the 10 yard line and run 90 yards for a TD with 1:00 remaining in the second quarter.

Offside pass subject to penalty.

Team B can decline and give K the TD, or accept and take B 1D/10 A-1. Clock on the snap.

[The Roamin' Umpire]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

Are you saying that in NFHS, K cannot kick a scrimmage kick that is on the ground? I don't understand what makes it an illegal kick.

There are only three types of legal scrimmage kick: place kick, drop kick, or punt. 2-23-9 says any other intentional kick is illegal.

And yes, K can advance this ball - as an illegal kick, it is treated as a fumble.

[LineJudgeLou]

It's an illegal kick. Spot foul. 1/2 the distance. Replay 4th down. Can't kick the ball off the ground like in soccer.

If the punter had picked up the ball and punted it, and the punt stayed behind the neutral zone (blocked, tipped, whatever), K could have advanced and the TD would be good.

[Jim D]

NFHS - This is an illegal kick by K. It does not meet the defention of aeither a punt, place kick or drop kick as defined in rule 2-23. We have an illegal kick which is treated as a fumble so flag the illegal kick, let the play go and then offer R the following choices - decline the penalty and it's a TD for A/K. Accept the penalty and it's 15 yards back from the spot of the foul and replay the down.

[FredFan7]

Originally Posted by Theisey

Seems pretty straight forward, so I'm wondering what you guys did.

NCAA: team-B's ball 1/goal from the A-0.5 yard line. Penalty includes LOD.
NFHS: team-A's ball 4/24.5 from the A-0.5 yard line.

No TD in either case.

NFHS, that's what we did, and clock starts on the snap because the play ended behind the goal line. We had to file that play under "There's one we don't see or talk about every day" so it caused us to slow down and talk it through.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Peruvian

I'd agree because K can't advance any kick. (NFHS)

Then you are agreeing for the wrong reason. Don't forget that on this play the "kick" ends behind the line of scrimmage. Can K advance a legal kick that ends behind the line of scrimmage?

No, the initial response was correct - and not for the reason you say.

[Jim D]

The key on this play is to recognize that this is not a kick so none of the rules on restrictions apply. An illegal "kick" is really a FUMBLE so think of this play as a fumble by A.