4 or 5 Man Crews

Ed Hickland · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 03, 2001, 11:31am

I am interested in knowing how whether your varsity crews are 4 or 5 man and the fee.

Zeke5 · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 03, 2001, 12:25pm

Baltimore

4 for city schools - $50
5 for private - $55 (plus paid chain crew at $25 x 3)
5 for county (upped from 4 this season!) - $48 (was $50)

BktBallRef · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 05, 2001, 11:10pm

$60 per official for varsity, which is always 5 man during regular season and $70 each in the playoffs this year. This is a flat fee, no travel.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Nov 13th, 2001 at 10:51 PM]

TXMike · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 09, 2001, 06:00am

In Texas 5 man crews are the standard for varsity (except for 6-man football where 4 man crews are used). Fees are based on size of the gate. Most games end up paying between $60 and $100 although many of the larger schools which draw huge crowds will pay $150 or more.

Each crew is authorized a driver who gets .28 a mile based on round trip mileage.

mikesears · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 10, 2001, 10:49am

In Illinois all Varsity games are 5 man. Lower level games are 3 or 4 man depending on what the school wants. There are no set fees. I've been paid from $40 to $65 for a single varsity game.

brewer · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 13, 2001, 11:21am

six man in georgia,most of the time, big weeks five

we work with shares throught our local association.
full share on the field
half share on the clock or chain crew

its about 56 to 60 dollars a full share.

dlangdon · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 13, 2001, 07:33pm

WV uses 5 man for varsity @ 45 to 55 depending on size of school. Junior High uses 4 men @ 25.

zebraman55 · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Aug 21, 2001, 09:55pm

As Mike pointed out, in Illinois, all varsity games are 5 man. State playoff games are $55 per game.

cw3Retired · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 12, 2001, 12:49pm

Here is the breakdown of our contracts here in Coastal Georgia:

All of our public schools and one of our private schools are 6-man crews + ECO.
On field - $58 (goes up to $63 next year)
ECO - $29 (goes up to $30 (I think) next year)

One private school is 5-man + ECO.
On field - $60 (goes up to $65 (I think) next year)
ECO - $30 (not sure on next years increase)

Public school playoffs are 6-man crews + ECO + Chain crew.
On field - $80
ECO and Chain Crew - $40
$.11 a mile times 2 vehicles (split amoung everyone who drove).

Have never worked private school playoffs.

JV and Middle School games are 4-man crews at $35 per person.

mnref · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 12, 2001, 03:04pm

Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area game fees are as follows:

2001 - $61
2002 - $64
2003 - $68

Outstate we've gotten anywhere between $57 and $61 (plus mileage in playoffs).

5-man crews are used throughout the entire state (except for 9-man games where 4 officials are used).

Now if we could only get Gov Ventura to give the schools more money ...

STEVED21 · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 13, 2001, 09:02am

Ed,

Up here in Westchester Co. NY, we get $ 81 for a varsity game. I noticed you didn't mention what you get down there in Nassau. Our standard is 4 men, but this year we start a program to convince the schools that they should have 5. We got between 15- and 20 schools to go along the first year. We hope to increase that number next year and have it standard in our next contract.

Ed Hickland · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 13, 2001, 11:20am

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Originally posted by STEVED21
Ed,

Up here in Westchester Co. NY, we get $ 81 for a varsity game. I noticed you didn't mention what you get down there in Nassau. Our standard is 4 men, but this year we start a program to convince the schools that they should have 5. We got between 15- and 20 schools to go along the first year. We hope to increase that number next year and have it standard in our next contract.

I work in Suffolk where we get $94 for varsity (4-man), $74 for JV (3-man) and $56.50 for JH (3-man), although a number of JH games are scheduled for 5 periods which is a 20 percent premium for a total of $69.

Our contract is up this year. We have been told not to expect the fifth man for varsity. However, expect JV to go to 4-man and JH to drop to 2-man.

STEVED21 · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 13, 2001, 12:10pm

Just kidding about posting your fees. I negotiated the last two contracts in Westchester. We tried to get our fees up to your level as the standard of living is similar. Section One didn't go for it.

If they won't give you 5 on the Varsity, try what we did. If the section would agree that all officials on the field get paid a full fee, convince some of the schools to put 5 on the field. The more the coaches saw it they liked it. We started the season with 12 schools and ended up adding at least 5 schools during the season.

Ed Hickland · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 13, 2001, 12:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by STEVED21
Just kidding about posting your fees. I negotiated the last two contracts in Westchester. We tried to get our fees up to your level as the standard of living is similar. Section One didn't go for it.

If they won't give you 5 on the Varsity, try what we did. If the section would agree that all officials on the field get paid a full fee, convince some of the schools to put 5 on the field. The more the coaches saw it they liked it. We started the season with 12 schools and ended up adding at least 5 schools during the season.

Surprising your fees are so much lower as the financial conditions are almost the same. Suffolk is the least expensive of (Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk) and the highest fee for football. There was a re-opener when the clock rule changed -- the morning games started one-half hour earlier and we documented the longer varsity games. That gave us a $2 increase.

Will pass on your strategy on getting five.

cw3Retired · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 13, 2001, 04:57pm

Random thoughts here.

What does the standard of living have to do with officiating fees? Just curious. It seems to me that it is the same game, played by the same types of people. We can all order the same equipment from the same suppliers. And we all work primary jobs to meet the needs of our families. Why should the standard of living be a concern for what fees we get to officiate a football game?

With that said, at $94.00 a game for a 4-man crew, the school pays $386.00 for the crew. You could go to a 5-man crew at $77.00 a game, still make a good nights pay, and provide a much better officiated game (in my opinion) for the students.

Please understand, I am not mad at anybody. The concepts presented in the last couple of posts are foreign to me here in Georgia, and this is the only place that I have worked H.S. football. I wish I could get $94.00 a game. But, I wouldn't want to do 4-man mechanics for a varsity football game to do it.