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Old Sat Oct 29, 2005, 03:00pm
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Angry Revamp the Case Book

All those "corrections" issued this summer were a joke. They should have re-written the #$%^ thing.

After working a game where B jumped offsides three straight times on the try, I'm almost of the belief that we should not make that a dead ball foul. It can penalize the offense/K by taking a made point off the board . Subsequent play may lead to muffed hold/bad snap/missed kick.

Reddings book is formatted a whole lot better that the NF.
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Old Sat Oct 29, 2005, 11:06pm
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Sounds like a lot of the suggested changes are already in the NCAA book, so why not just have your state adopt NCAA football rules with a few HS specific exceptions like Texas does? It will make things easier for officials all over the country that work both HS and college, and in my view, promote a more consistent game.

To me, Fed football rules (taken as a whole) aren't really necessary. The NCAA rules work fine for HS, and unlike some other sports, they aren't necessarily written for just college level athletes. In basketball, for example, state associations need to stick with Fed since NCAA has different rules for men and women, and Fed likely doesn't want that (and neither do most HS officials). Further, in basketball, it isn't unusual for teams to travel to other states to play tournaments and they need to expect consistentcy in the rules. In football, that doesn't happen with regularity. If there were NOBODY using NCAA rules for HS, that might prompt a "hold the phone; let's think about this" type attitude, but Texas has been using college rules since my Dad started officiating in the 1950's without problem.
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Old Sun Oct 30, 2005, 12:11am
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1. Change the rules to NCAA offsides. There is no advantage to making this a DBF. I have seen defensive encroachment occur on fieldgoals/extrapoints and because they continue the kick after the whistle which turn out being good. Also it sucks when the kicking team is offsides, we have to line up all over again.

2. Work on simultaneous USC/DB fouls. Not equitable how it is currently written - can result in awarding the offense by giving them a first down. Can also disadvantage either team if inside the 30 and the first penatly is marked off towards the endzone.

3. Uncatchable pass

4. Option of penalty on TD enforced on KO

I'll think of some more.

Thoughts?
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Old Sun Oct 30, 2005, 12:12am
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Originally posted by Texas Aggie
Sounds like a lot of the suggested changes are already in the NCAA book, so why not just have your state adopt NCAA football rules with a few HS specific exceptions like Texas does? It will make things easier for officials all over the country that work both HS and college, and in my view, promote a more consistent game.
I agree 100%. Several reasons, some of them might not be considered legitimate reasons by most. Makes it easier on officials who want to move up or who are working both levels. Also takes care of many rule misconceptions. Finally there are some major flaws in NFHS rules that could be fixed by switching to NCAA.

Bottom line is though - it won't happen.
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Old Sun Oct 30, 2005, 08:59pm
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Make all personal fouls automatic first downs.
Then maybe all the monkey crap that goes on after the play is over would come to an abrupt end!!!!
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Old Sun Oct 30, 2005, 10:41pm
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Make all personal fouls automatic first downs.
Then maybe all the monkey crap that goes on after the play is over would come to an abrupt end!!!!
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I like this one as well. How do you penalize the O though?

I've never been a fan of being able to use the hands to block. It would be hard to go back to the 80s when you had to use the old forearm shiver but it would be nice.
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Old Tue Nov 01, 2005, 08:04pm
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Originally posted by Texas Aggie
Sounds like a lot of the suggested changes are already in the NCAA book, so why not just have your state adopt NCAA football rules with a few HS specific exceptions like Texas does? It will make things easier for officials all over the country that work both HS and college, and in my view, promote a more consistent game.

To me, Fed football rules (taken as a whole) aren't really necessary. The NCAA rules work fine for HS, and unlike some other sports, they aren't necessarily written for just college level athletes. In basketball, for example, state associations need to stick with Fed since NCAA has different rules for men and women, and Fed likely doesn't want that (and neither do most HS officials). Further, in basketball, it isn't unusual for teams to travel to other states to play tournaments and they need to expect consistentcy in the rules. In football, that doesn't happen with regularity. If there were NOBODY using NCAA rules for HS, that might prompt a "hold the phone; let's think about this" type attitude, but Texas has been using college rules since my Dad started officiating in the 1950's without problem.
I agree with you but the NFHS has become a big business and isn't going away anytime soon
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