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Old Wed Oct 05, 2005, 06:54pm
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The U and R are under the bars, every one else as in a regular kickoff. How'd I do?
You are kidding, right?
By the book, he is correct! R and U under the uprights and all others in normal positions for a kick off.
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Old Wed Oct 05, 2005, 07:13pm
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Makes sense to me, why would you put R on a kick or recieving team restraining line? He won't know what to do there. He probably doesn't have a beanbag or knows how to use it.
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Old Wed Oct 05, 2005, 08:48pm
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The U and R are under the bars, every one else as in a regular kickoff. How'd I do?
You are kidding, right?
I don't think he was kidding... from the 2004 and 2005 Football Officials Manual ...5 officials mechanics...NFHS

FIELD-GOAL ATTEMPT BY FREE-KICK
AFTER A FAIR CATCH OR AWARDED FAIR CATCH

I. Positions
a. Referee behind upright
b. Umpire behind upright
c. Both officials determine whether kick is successful.
II. ALL OTHER OFFICIALS MECHANICS SAME AS KICKOFF
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Old Wed Oct 05, 2005, 09:30pm
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Since the R and U are closest to the receiver's goalline it makes sense that they would be under the uprights. I've got this one memorized. I don't want to screw it up in case it ever happens.

[Edited by schwinn on Oct 5th, 2005 at 10:33 PM]
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Old Wed Oct 05, 2005, 10:14pm
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I had a team try a field goal at the end of a half after a fair catch. You have to help the teams line up because they have no clue!
REPLY: Alright, no cheating allowed. How do Federation mechanics call for a 5-man crew of officials to line up in such a case?

Hey you...I said no cheating!
BJ, LJ and LM in their normal Free Kick positions with the R and U under the goal posts.
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Old Thu Oct 06, 2005, 10:36am
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BJ, LJ and LM in their normal Free Kick positions with the R and U under the goal posts.
REPLY: Just remember that, depending on where the kick is executed, someone needs to have responsibility for the goal line to determine if the kick crosses the plane and becomes a TB and remains in play. That would be the HL.

Another thing...don't forget that this is still a free kick and the ball can be recovered and retained by K after it has met regular free kick requirements (10 yards, touch ground or R player).
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Old Thu Oct 06, 2005, 11:07am
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The U and R are under the bars, every one else as in a regular kickoff. How'd I do?
You are kidding, right?
I don't think he was kidding... from the 2004 and 2005 Football Officials Manual ...5 officials mechanics...NFHS

FIELD-GOAL ATTEMPT BY FREE-KICK
AFTER A FAIR CATCH OR AWARDED FAIR CATCH

I. Positions
a. Referee behind upright
b. Umpire behind upright
c. Both officials determine whether kick is successful.
II. ALL OTHER OFFICIALS MECHANICS SAME AS KICKOFF
Sorry, temporary blackout. My mind was thinking regular FG (scrimmage kick) attempt.

Thanks to the Gods of Football Officiating in here for getting me back on track.
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Old Thu Oct 06, 2005, 12:24pm
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BJ, LJ and LM in their normal Free Kick positions with the R and U under the goal posts.
REPLY: Just remember that, depending on where the kick is executed, someone needs to have responsibility for the goal line to determine if the kick crosses the plane and becomes a TB and remains in play. That would be the HL.
In the situation with five officials, certainly.

When you only have four officials, one for each restraining line and two for the uprights leave the goal line unguarded. D'oh.

Somehow, though, I don't think this is the most compelling argument for five officials on the field.
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Old Thu Oct 06, 2005, 07:47pm
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4-man mechanics specifies just the Referee under the bar....
everyone else has the same free kick responsibilities.
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