When does the clock start? (NF)

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Originally posted by Jim S
Gentlemen, do NOT get to thinking about "change of possession". Fed timing rules do not have a change of possession (apparent or actual) section as NCAA does.

Good comment. It sent me back, to the rule book. Now I think I need further clarification on why it does not start on the snap.

In this scenario above, if there had been no penalty, I believe it states the clock would start with the snap (Rule 3, Art 3) if either team is awarded a new series following a legal kick (item c). Since that is the "status" of the clock had there been no penalty, shouldn't that also be the "status" of the clock after enforcement of the penalty.

I'm still new and don't know if I'm experienced enough to argue yet. I'm just trying to understand.

Let me reword the previous item and create "Scenario B" just for clarification: On fourth and 10 third and 2 with two and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter, the clock is running and A throws an incomplete pass. The linesman had a live ball foul illegal procedure on the play, so B elects to replay the down with A penalized 5 yards.

In this scenario B, wouldn't the clock start on the snap because that was the "status" of the clock had there been no penalty? I know the original scenario had the "award of a new series" wiped off with the penalty, but didn't Scenario B also have the incomplete pass wiped off with the penalty? Can anyone provide additional rule references I might be missing?