When does the clock start? (NF)

[l3will]

Originally posted by Jaysef
I3Will,

Sorry, I still don't understand why K's recovery of a muffed punt awards them a new series 1 and 10? Ball never changed possession, and the recovery was not in advance of line to gain? Am I missing the forest for the trees? If K is giving up their right to the ball (punt), and they get it back off R's muff, is not the only way they retain possession if they make that original line to gain?

Jaysef

Rule 6-2-4 ... Any kicker may catch or recover a scrimmage kick while it is beyond the neutral zone or expanded neutral zone, provided such kick has been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the neutral zone at the time of touching. Such touching is ignored if it is caused by K legally batting or muffing the ball into R. Such catch or recovery by K beyond the neutral zone causes the ball to become dead. (See 6-5-6 exception)

5.1.3 ... When a scrimmage down ends with the ball in the field of play or out of bounds between the goal lines, a new series is awarded to:
Rule 5.1.3f The team in possession at the end of the down, if R is the first to touch a scrimmage kick while it is beyond the expanded neutral zone, unless the penalty is accepted for a non post-scrimmage kick foul which occurred before the kick ended.

.... so if R is the first to touch a scrimmage kick beyond the line, then next down is going to be first down for either R or K no matter where the ball is recovered, if there are no fouls to complicate things.


[Edited by l3will on Sep 29th, 2005 at 05:31 PM]

[jack015]

Originally posted by Jaysef
I3Will,

Sorry, I still don't understand why K's recovery of a muffed punt awards them a new series 1 and 10? Ball never changed possession, and the recovery was not in advance of line to gain? Am I missing the forest for the trees? If K is giving up their right to the ball (punt), and they get it back off R's muff, is not the only way they retain possession if they make that original line to gain?

Jaysef

Jaysref, read the fundamental statments about kicks in the rule book. If R is ever 1st to touch a scrimmage kick beyond the NZ. it will be 1st down for the team in possession when the down ends, barring enforcement of any foul that might hve been committed during the down.

Best of luck with your new avocation.

[Jaysef]

I was reading the section you referenced this morning and now I see the light. Thanks for the help.

J

[Daryl H. Long]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim S
[B]Schwinn, You're close, BUT, can you find a rule that says we stop the clock after a recovered punt (scrimage kick)? Remember the rule must fit all recovered punts to make your assertion correct.
Daryl's only problem here is that he is taking an end result and trying to make it a cause.
This type of discussion is good for the grou. It gets people thinking AND reading.

[Edited by Daryl H. Long on Sep 30th, 2005 at 03:54 PM]