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parepat · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 12:24pm

Good topic.

I use a card that I refer to at the end to make sure I covered everything. Once I finish my spiel I introduce the wing sho will be on that coaches sideline. While he is giving his spiel, I refer to the card. If I missed anything, I will address it when the wing finishes up. I always felt kind of funny about it. I like the idea of having the umpire hold it, but, if he has to step in and remind you, then you will probably look worse than if you looked at the card in the first place.

With respect to pre games, some of our crews are just having the umpire and ref talk to the coaches. Do any of you do this? And, if so, what are the advantages?

Rich · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by parepat

Good topic.

I use a card that I refer to at the end to make sure I covered everything. Once I finish my spiel I introduce the wing sho will be on that coaches sideline. While he is giving his spiel, I refer to the card. If I missed anything, I will address it when the wing finishes up. I always felt kind of funny about it. I like the idea of having the umpire hold it, but, if he has to step in and remind you, then you will probably look worse than if you looked at the card in the first place.

With respect to pre games, some of our crews are just having the umpire and ref talk to the coaches. Do any of you do this? And, if so, what are the advantages?

It doesn't feel like you are ganging up on him. We try to be quick, yet thorough. 2 of us makes it a lot easier to accomplish this than all 5 of us.

We used to have all 5. I'd have the wing give the rating card to his sideline, talk about back foot to the receivers, etc. and I eventually found this to be too long of a process. The coach is in the middle of pregame prep and as long as we cover everything, he would prefer (I think) for it to be handled crisply and quickly so he can get back to his team.

BuckeyeRef · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by parepat

Good topic.

With respect to pre games, some of our crews are just having the umpire and ref talk to the coaches. Do any of you do this? And, if so, what are the advantages?

Once again the referees trying to hog the spotlight and leave the real workhorses on the crew out in the dark.

Rich · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 19, 2009, 12:30pm

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Once again the referees trying to hog the spotlight and leave the real workhorses on the crew out in the dark.

You must be kidding, right?

Do other position people really feel that being the WH is an *easy* job? I had two guys on the crew like that -- I solved that perception by putting them in the R position during JV games and watching them struggle from a wing or the BJ position.

While I'm primarily a WH these days, I pride myself in being able to competently work any of the 5-man positions at any time. And I have at the varsity level.

Mike L · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by parepat

With respect to pre games, some of our crews are just having the umpire and ref talk to the coaches. Do any of you do this? And, if so, what are the advantages?

No card for me. I keep it pretty short and simple so the coach can get back to doing what he wants to be doing before the game (which amazingly is NOT chit-chatting with me). It's not that hard to keep memorized.

And yes, it's just me and the U. The other guys have their own pre-game stuff to do anyway. If there's anything special to pass along to the other guys, I do that in our short meeting before the toss. Just like they can tell me if the clock operator knows his stuff, if the chain crew is ready and if the field has any problems. There's just no point in the whole herd travelling together to talk to coaches.

RMR · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 03:56pm

In La., for district games, it is just the R and the U. For pre-district games and for playoffs, the coaches are supposed to be introduced to the whole crew.

Forksref · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 07:38pm

I make up my own game cards and on the back I have the names of our crew to introduce and I have my list of questions to ask the coach. I have no problem doing this. The object is to get it right. And when I have it out, it's just a continuation of the front of the card where I write down the captains' numbers as the coach gives them to me. I also have a business size card with our association, crew names and contact info so coaches can give us feedback.

VALJ · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 09:41pm

Our association has just the R and U meet the coaches as well. The other three officials all have other things to be doing, and ideally by the time the R and U are done with the coaches, we're done with our duties, and we all get together to get the game information we need.

parepat · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 19, 2009, 12:16pm

Interesting. Don't you think it is beneficial for the wing on the coaches sideline to be part of the meeting? And, why have the umpire along. Doesn't he have other things to do as well?

Rich · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 19, 2009, 12:34pm

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Interesting. Don't you think it is beneficial for the wing on the coaches sideline to be part of the meeting? And, why have the umpire along. Doesn't he have other things to do as well?

Well, then maybe we should meet with all the coaches, not just the head coach?

The umpire needs to hear if he needs to check any players' equipment. And the R needs *someone* along as a second set of ears.

The back judge can meet with the timer and the wings can check the chains and meet with their ball boys.

This has nothing to do with the white hat wanting to hog the spotlight or keeping the rest of the crew out. It's using the time as best as possible and keeping the meeting with the head coach short and sweet.

ref1986 · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 20, 2009, 07:56am

My crew has been together a long time and our varsity schedule is typicially 11 games from the same 15 schools. We know all the head coaches and most of the assistant coaches, and very often we know the visitors too. Some coaches some of us know professionally or socially as well. So all six of us come on the field about 45 minutes before the game and say hello. If we don't know a head coach, all of us will introduce ourselves. Sometimes it's just the U and I who have the meeting with the head coach, sometimes one or more of the other officials will be there. It depends whom they're talking to at the time. The meeting with the coach covers all the important stuff, but it's pretty informal.

bigjohn · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 23, 2009, 07:03am

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