PSK or No PSK?

[BayouUmp]

This question is on our state exam and wanted to get opinion from the board.

"Third and 9 from A’s 40. QB A2 takes the snap and scrambles. While A2 is in possession behind the neutral zone, B2 holds A3 at B’s 49. A2 eventually quick kicks by punting deep. The punt rolls to R’s 25 where it is eventually blown dead since no players are attempting to recover. Ruling: If accepted, A will play a first and 10 at the 50. (True or False)"

Why would/would not this be a PSK foul? Does a scrimmage kick have to start with a scrimmage kick formation? The foul occurred before the kick crossed the ENZ, but I didn't think that was a requirement of PSK (according to 2.16.2.g) although the ruling in Case book 10.2.1 Sit D seems to indicate it.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by BayouUmp
This question is on our state exam and wanted to get opinion from the board.

"Third and 9 from A’s 40. QB A2 takes the snap and scrambles. While A2 is in possession behind the neutral zone, B2 holds A3 at B’s 49. A2 eventually quick kicks by punting deep. The punt rolls to R’s 25 where it is eventually blown dead since no players are attempting to recover. Ruling: If accepted, A will play a first and 10 at the 50. (True or False)"

Why would/would not this be a PSK foul? Does a scrimmage kick have to start with a scrimmage kick formation? The foul occurred before the kick crossed the ENZ, but I didn't think that was a requirement of PSK (according to 2.16.2.g) although the ruling in Case book 10.2.1 Sit D seems to indicate it.

False.

This is a PSK foul. All of the criteria for PSK have been met.

1. During a down with a scrimmage kick except try or successful field goal.

2. Scrimmage kick crossed the expanded neutral zone.

3. Foul was beyond the expanded neutral zone.

4. Foul occured before the kick ended.

5. K does not have possession of the ball and will not be next to put the ball into play.


Team A gave up its right to keep the ball by punting it.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Mike is correct that this is a PSK-enforcement foul. I can also see the confusion that case play 10.2.1D might create. The clause "...since it did not foul prior to the kick crossing the expanded neutral zone" is extraneous to the play. It well may be a vestige of the 2003 case book. When PSK was first introduced to the Federation game, there was a requirement the the foul must occur after the kick crossed the ENZ. That was inconsistent with the NCAA and NFL PSK rules and was virtually impossible to officiate. So they changed it last season.

[Daryl H. Long]

As for penalty enforcement:

B's ball 1st and 10 at their own 15 yard line.

10-4-3 Basic spot is where the kick ends (25 yl). Spot of flag not used in enforcement because it is ahead of (or not behind) the basic spot. Start at 25 yl and mark off 10 yards for the holding penalty.

[JugglingReferee]

A punting does not remove their right to the ball even though they punted it. 10 yards from PLS Team A 1D.

[Jaysef]

What actually defines a scrimmage kick? Is it the formation? Was the QB in shotgun? Does the scramble change the play from a scrimmage kick, to a running play? Can A legally quick kick at any point and throw any ensuing scenarios into PSK?

Please help.

[mikesears]

PSK stands for Post Scrimmage Kick.

Anytime you have a foul with a down with a scrimmage kick, you have to determine if it meets the requiremenst of a PSK foul.

[Bob Mc]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaysef
[B]What actually defines a scrimmage kick? Is it the formation? Was the QB in shotgun? Does the scramble change the play from a scrimmage kick, to a running play? Can A legally quick kick at any point and throw any ensuing scenarios into PSK?

Please help.

Rule 2-23 gives the definition you're looking for. Art 1 A kick is the intentional striking of the ball with the knee, lower leg or foot. Art 4 A scrimmage kick is any legal kick form in or behind the neutral zone.

Does the scramble change the play from a kick to a run? Only if the ball is never kicked. Not sure what you mean be ensuing scenarios...but 5.1.3e

[Jaysef]

I am now clear, thanks.