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Thu Apr 27, 2006, 11:17am
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We're very lucky in our crew that our umpire is an emergency room nurse. He does not usually get involved but he will identify himself as such to the trainer/doctor or coaches before the game if they need his help. He leaves injuries up to them unless they specifically ask him for assistance.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006, 01:30pm
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The worst I've seen was a running back who got hit from two sides just as he was planting after stepping thru the line. He got a twist fracture of the hip. Entire leg is point in bad directions.
He screaming the he'll never walk again, etc. I'm right there so I tell him to be quiet, the doctor's will fix you up. He's says OK and calms right down. For about a mionute. Then he starts up again. So I start telling he stories about "bad" injuries and how he's gonna be just fine. Calms down again. Another minute goes by and now the EMTs are there and he starts up again. This time I said "Hey that's about enough of that! These guys are gonna take good care of you until they get you to the doctors who are gonna fix you right up... SO ZIP IT!" him "OK sir" I later got a thank you note from the kid and his coach for "my assurance, and help keeping him calm. Second worst was a pass receiver running patterns in pre-game in Cupertino, Ca about 27 years ago. He went airborne to catch one. Hit the ground and started screaming. At the time I was an EMT and ran over to him. Looked down at his knee. The patella was around the back side of the knee, completely detached. Having had knee injuries I don't blame the kid for screaming his head off!
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Thu Apr 27, 2006, 02:53pm
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A couple years ago, during the last varsity game of the regular season, a player from the visitors dislocated his hip. He was flat on his back with his right leg about 60 degrees out to the side, with his toes down in the grass. Seeing the paramedics move him onto a board was bone chilling, especially with the kid crying like he was. He caught a pass and was hit on the thighs from the side and wrapped up while running and twisted down to the ground. The tackle was text book and looked harmless. I swear I could feel the kids pain.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006, 09:18pm
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hey Guy's
I am currently playing varsity football with a team in stl. This happened to me this year. Was playing Tightend and went across the field about 10 yards deep, and the ball was thrown to me very slowly and high. The middle linebacer and I both go up for it and since the mlb was in the way I ended up having to lean to catch it. I out jump him and get the ball, as soon as i catch it i am hit by the safty in the ribs. I pass out immediatly. turns out I broke 4 ribs. and tissue( i dont no the tech terms) inbetween 3 of those ribs I only know the details from watching the game tape. As it turns out I was able to convice the doc and trainer to let me play after sitting out 1 week. Just thought I'd share.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006, 08:09pm
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Fri Apr 28, 2006, 01:48pm
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Few years ago in a varsity game I had a QB take a real shot on a tackle. He gets right up and starts walking to the huddle. I am U and he starts to walk toward me stumbling, he was knocked out cold but is staggering toward me. As he gets to me he falls, my choice is to either grab him or to let him faceplant the dirt. Out of instinct I grab him and hold him up as the training staff gets to me. I was unsure if this was the right thing to do but out of instinct I did not want to see him hit the ground. He was ok and actually played later that game.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006, 01:52pm
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I'm not a lawyer but I think it would sound a lot better to a jury trying to decide blame that I caught the kid as he was stumbling and falling rather than get up there and testify that he started to fall and I stepped aside and watched him topple.
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Thu May 04, 2006, 08:53pm
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Not a game I officiated in, but played. Flag football in college, played on a field they also played soccer on. They moved the soccer goals back about 15 feet from the endline. I line up on defense at corner covering a receiver for a team at about the 10 yard line. On the snap, this dude takes off like a bullet and I think, "he's running a decoy," so I check back to the QB. The QB is eyeing this guy, who I think will stop inside the end line. Apparantly, the team and the recevier didn't realize how deep they were (at night, not very well lit at all), and this receiver is running a post route looking back at the QB all the way.
By this time, I'm halfway into the end zone when I start looking for the receiver who just then goes head first into a post on that soccer goal. So I'm on him (ignoring the play, but I think the QB threw it long for him!). He's out cold. About 30 seconds later or so, he comes to, and I said, "hey, man, are you OK?" By this time, everyone is standing around him. He looks around and says, "yeah, I'm OK, but where's my guitar?" I said, "stay there and don't move" and someone hustled to find an EMT. They took him to the Quack Shack but I think he was OK.
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Thu May 04, 2006, 09:08pm
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There's a difference between helping someone maintain their balance and touching a player after he's been injured in hopes of assisting his treatment.
State tort laws differ. The basis of tort liability in most states involves two MAIN factors (there are more legal elements, but for simplicity): duty and breach. You can't have legal liability without both. For example: you don't have a duty to prevent someone you don't know from shooting themselves in the foot, but you do have a duty to not shoot them yourself (absent something that excuses that conduct). Breaching duties is a little more self explanatory, but rest assured there are thousands of legal cases that have turned on minute details of a breach. Did Ford breach their duty to consumers by putting the Pinto's (or whatever car did this) fuel tank behind the rear axle? That was litigated extensively, I believe. IF I am dealing with medical situations, here is some of the highlights as far as I'm concerned: 1. I won't in any way interfere or dictate treatment. My job is to stop the clock, beckon the coaches/trainers, and let them deal with things. I will assist in getting players out of the way and I will call security or the game administrator to keep fans off the field or keep whoever doesn't belong there off, but I'm only concerned about my specific duties and the players. 2. If there are weather issues where I am doing something with the rest of the game participants that is inconsistent with what the medical treatment folks want to do with one or more injured players (i.e. get participants off the field due to lightning), I will do that and I will leave the field also, leaving the medical treatment folks responsible for the player on the field.
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Fri May 05, 2006, 10:33am
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Last year we had an interesting one. Normal off tackle play. As the pile starts to unpile there is some audible screaming. My head linesman is first to the pile and sees the carnage....the kid dislocated his hip. He is of course in a lot of pain. the HL tells the kid "don't move"...the kid looks up and says "don't worry I didn't plan on it" LOL...so even in that environment he kept a sense of humor. 45 minutes later we got the game going again. Kid recovered fine and wanted to play by the end of the season. Dislocated hips put legs in weird weird positions...
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Tue May 16, 2006, 11:11pm
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Currently I serve as Fire Fighter/First Responder on two local fire departments. In Il i technically do not have a legal duty to act, but I have an ethical duty to act. Next year when i become an EMT-B I will have a duty to act, and therefore by law would be required to give assistance unless someone of a higher rank, or someone from that jurdistiction relieves me. A note to EMT's know your states duty to act laws, it can keep you out of trouble. If any of you gusy have more questions feel free to ask, and if i dont know the answer ill find out.
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Fri May 20, 2005, 09:27am
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About 3 seasons ago, kid makes a tackle on a punt, is knocked out cold. Can tell he's out as he fell with his arm underneath him at a wierd angle and he never attempts to move it once he's down.
There's an EMT on our crew that day, but there is a doctor present (league rule) and he examines him and summons the ambulance. They unscrew his facemask and start to administer an airway as he starts making a snoring sound (the EMT later tells me that when that happens it means their airway is obstructed and they are about to stop breathing). The entire team is behind me on the sidelines on one knee, most openly crying as they believe this boy is dying. Weeks earlier, a boy had collapsed and died at a scrimmage, so it was the first thing I thought of and I'm sure they did too. One of the assistant coaches with the player is yelling the boy's name at him imploring him to wake up and try to squeeze his hand. As he keeps repeating himself, it just makes the situation seem more deperate as you can tell he's not responding. They get him stabilized and on his way to the hospital. Now we have to regroup and play the rest of this game. I'm pretty shaken up at this point, as are most involved. The player ended up having suffered a pretty bad concussion, but plays i the state championship game that year and makes something like 15 tackles (he was a freshman) in a win for his club. He will be going to Syracuse this fall. Happy ending for him but a pretty scary moment back then.
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Fri May 20, 2005, 11:21am
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This was a JV game and the field we played on is harder than concrete. The QB does a draw and is met at the LOS by their linebacker who picks him up at the thighs and puts him on his back. When he hit the ground his head bounces. As they are unpiling, the QB is bent over, grabbing the back of his helmet.
I called an OTO, and told the kid to leave the field. His coach sees this and starts yelling at me, wondering what the he#*. As the QB starts towards the sideline, he runs at a 45 degree angle towards the sideline, leaning like he was drunk. The coach immediately understood. Kid stayed out the rest of the game. Head injuries scare me to death. Unlike a broken arm, you might not be able to tell right away there's a problem.
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