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Old Mon Oct 25, 2004, 06:18pm
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Still legal unless it is a backward pass he bats forward. (We already determined the 'throw' without possession is just a bat)
You don't have illegal participation?
REPLY: I do...in Federation. In NCAA, I have illegal touching with LOD at the previous spot.
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Old Mon Oct 25, 2004, 07:43pm
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Right Bob, 15 yards for NF, no yardage for NCAA.
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Old Mon Oct 25, 2004, 11:48pm
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Still legal unless it is a backward pass he bats forward. (We already determined the 'throw' without possession is just a bat)
You don't have illegal participation?
I would say that it is not IP. It would be IP if the A player goes OOB and returns, but jumping in the air does not constitute coming back in bounds. At the same time, the ball is not dead, since the A player is not OOB either. In the air, he is neither OOB nor in bounds (I suppose he is in limbo), since a player does not need to "reestablish" himself to no longer be OOB.

I have last year's rulebook on me, so I hope these rule references are correct: 2-1-3, 2-28-1, and 9-6-1.
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Old Tue Oct 26, 2004, 05:17am
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Still legal unless it is a backward pass he bats forward. (We already determined the 'throw' without possession is just a bat)
You don't have illegal participation?
No, not unless he lands in bounds or returns inbound during the play. He remains a player during the entire down. Even if he goes out of bounds, the loose ball does not become dead when touching a player unless that player is touching out of bounds. By leaping he has not returned in bounds nor does he make the loose ball dead on contact. Unless you can find me a different rule than 2-30 for player/non-player and 10-6 for illegal participation there is no rule broken. If a receiver steps OOB, leaps , catches the ball and comes down OOB, we don't flag for IP even though he was already OOB, so we cannot in this case either. In both cases the ball is still live while in contact with the airborn player and they are not illegal participating by definition.
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Old Tue Oct 26, 2004, 08:10am
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Also, if the player was forced out, and was in the act of trying to return, you wouldn't have IP or ineligible even if he did come back into the field of play (NCAA).
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Old Tue Oct 26, 2004, 10:10am
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I got this play from the referee.com website's exam. See 9-6-1.
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Old Wed Oct 27, 2004, 04:08am
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Does 9.6.1d (from referee .pdf file with quiz) refer to a case book play, because my 2004 casebook has no such play and the ones on the NFHS web site are not numbered that way. I still don't think the rule applies, but I will discuss it with some local rule heads.
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Old Wed Oct 27, 2004, 07:32am
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It would seem that way only the case book only goes to c. The disclaimer says the play was printed before any rule revisions. Do you have last years case book?
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