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OK, guys. The Unsportsmanlike foul for not taking a knee when you have been told it will be done is on the coach. When, especially at the youth level, have you not seen a "knee" called by the coach. Our coaches know what is going on and have never complained, primarily because they understand the safety aspect of the play.
To Dirk; I'd be willing to bet that you've never attended a training meeting conducted by the officials' association. It sounds like you've diligently read the book and only have a slight clue about interpretation, enforcement, and less about philosophy. Just for your entertainmnet, why not contact the officials' association in your area and ask them if you can take their tests. You will learn two things from this, what you know and, more importantly, what you don't know. Having offiated for 25 years, let me give you a bit of advice, honest advice. I am willing to bet that seasoned officials are listening to you less and less. The one thing that will turn officials off faster than you can imagine is a coach who tries to impress us with how much they know about our job. We will never try to impress you with how much we know about coaching because, DUH, we are not coaches! Remember, shoes are sold in pairs and the opposite shoe in this pair says that coaches are not officials. Now for your short quiz ... and you only have 5 seconds to answer the questions because that's all we have in a game. 1) How can your team lose 16 yards for a holding call? 2) How does "all but 1" apply to PSK? Done? Remember, identifying the things you don't know and then finding a quiet time after a game to ask a seasoned referee to explain the rule or enforcement to you will get you a lot more drag on the field when you really need it. Don't work the officials, work with them. In a sense we are both on the same team anyway, working for the same people ... the kids. Why not join the team instead of merely complaining about it? A good wine is a lot more satisfying than a great whine.
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Fri Oct 15, 2004, 07:38pm
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Nicely done Bob Proctor. In fact, your above post has given me a bit of insight into the coach. Even though I coached for many years, volleyball from youth up through Elite teams, I've never heard the coach vs. ref or ref vs. coach thing put into the manner you did.
I, for one, was always "working" the Up Ref in VB. Just to let him know I was watching and hoped a few borderline calls would go my way later. (They often did) Adding, "Coach we're both on the same side." type of comment seems like it might lighten up the sideline from time to time. Nice post Bob. Thank you.
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Tue Oct 19, 2004, 01:45am
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Tue Oct 19, 2004, 02:40am
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Under the all-but-one rule, a foul committed by the offense behind the basic spot is enforced from the spot of the foul. Should the offense commit a holding foul 6 yards behind the basic spot, the spot for enforcement is the spot of the foul. Therefore the offense would lose 10 yards for the hold measured from the enforcement spot 6 yards behind the basic spot resulting in a 16 yard loss. I'm sure almost every official south of the 49th got it right.
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