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Old Mon Oct 04, 2004, 10:03pm
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We have a coach in a motorized wheelchair who wants to stand on the sidelines with his team. We do not think this is safe for the players officials and the person in the wheelchair for him to be on the sidelines. We have asked him to be at least 15 yards back, he is citing rights of the disabled that he should be allowed on the sidelines like every other coach.

Does anyone know of other wheelchair coaches and if they were allowed on the sidelines to coach. Does anybody think it is not a safety hazard for him to be right on the sideline with the other coaches? There is no way he could get out of the way of other player. Waiting to hear some comments.

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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 01:24am
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We have a coach in a motorized wheelchair who wants to stand on the sidelines with his team. We do not think this is safe for the players officials and the person in the wheelchair for him to be on the sidelines. We have asked him to be at least 15 yards back, he is citing rights of the disabled that he should be allowed on the sidelines like every other coach.

Does anyone know of other wheelchair coaches and if they were allowed on the sidelines to coach. Does anybody think it is not a safety hazard for him to be right on the sideline with the other coaches? There is no way he could get out of the way of other player. Waiting to hear some comments.

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At the NASO convention in Portland, OR this exact topic was discussed. Long story short, the disabled DO have rights and we are to allow them on the sidelines just like any other coach. Until something happens the NASO attorneys stongly advise we leave it alone. If and/or when something happens, then and only then should the individual situation be address'ed and it should be handled through your state association.
Bottom line, don't set yourself up for a lawsuit against any of the disabled Americans groups unless you enjoy the inside of a courtroom. Most likely with any lawsuit against these groups you would lose.
While you may think this is absurd to wait unil an injury occurs before any corrective action can be taken, that is the world we live in today.
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 07:44am
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I asked the Illinois High School Association about this as well and was instructed that we treat him like any other coach. They can not only be on the sidelines but they can also be in the coach's box.

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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 12:00pm
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I don't disagree that we should allow him on the sideline, but (and I'm sorry if I seem like a jerk about this) we could also wind up in a court room with a player who broke his neck on the wheelchair, or with the coach in the wheelchair who got run over by an official or a player. The first thing the plantiff's lawyer will say is "why didn't you remove him from the sideline?"

I know that really did not add anything to the discussion, more me "blowing off steam" about trial lawyers.
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 12:45pm
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I'm not letting a wheel chair in the coaches box. He can be in the team box, that's fine. I probably would allow crutches though, as long as the coach can move fast enough.

If they want to cover the entire wheelchair in 1/2 inch closed-cell padding, then that's a different story j/k
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 12:52pm
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We have asked him to be at least 15 yards back...
Please be sure about the distance you are requesting here. How many things are within 15 yards? Fences? The bleachers? The school? Do you want those moved too?
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 12:55pm
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The 15 yard stipulation came straight from our insurance company after the issue was brought to thier attention.
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 12:57pm
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We have asked him to be at least 15 yards back...
Please be sure about the distance you are requesting here. How many things are within 15 yards? Fences? The bleachers? The school? Do you want those moved too?
Yeah, I guess I overlooked that when I first read the thread. I am not a hugh fan of having him on the sidelines, but 15 yards is an awfully long way away. Cheerleaders who are paying zero attention to the play are closer to the field than that.
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I had a coach this past weekend who was physically hanicapped so that he needed a cane to walk. He told me it was a birth defect. He was hanicapped to the point where his speech was a little tough to understand, and he couldn't move well (he had players come beyond the hash at timeouts). I had no issue with him on the sidelines, and to tell you the truth, i welcomed it. For him, to be a head coach of a varsity team, deal with his disability, and have the fire that he had to coach his guys (not to mention really having a grasp of the rules, not many do), there was no way i would tell him any different then his non-disabled counterparts. If i did so, i would open myself up for liability. I agree, lets not go there.
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First off I don't think we as officials have the right to make this requirement to start with (it would lay with the governing body (local, state, etc. Whoever has the final say in your area). Second I would agree that it is most probably a violation of Feaderal ADA.
We had a head coach in a motorized chair for several years. Was never a problem. People used to love seeing him motor out to the To conferences out in the middle of the field.
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 07:43pm
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We have no problem with this individual coaching, it's just the manner in which he does it, our association sees the chair as a dangerous object to be in the vicinity of the football field. The last thing we want is for the coach, a player or an official to be hurt because of a collision with this chair. That is why the 15 yard stipulation is in place. To keep all participants in the game safe.
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 07:44pm
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If I remember correctly, Bob Waters of Western Carolina University finished his coaching career in a wheelchair. This was back in the 1980s. He played pro football for the 49ers back in the early 60s. He contracted Lou Gehrig's Disease and passed away in 1989.

You better think long and hard about this one as there have been several law suits in the baseball arena that have gone for the disabled. One was for a high school coach in California that wanted to work the 1st and 3rd base lines. He won!
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Old Tue Oct 05, 2004, 08:14pm
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I would not even consider asking him to do anything different!

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...our association sees the chair as a dangerous object to be in the vicinity of the football field...
I would summize that in Canada, home of 12-man, 3-Down, football and ref18,
they do not have to deal with the Americans with Disabilities Act (A.D.A.).
However, in the land of the free and the home of the brave,
we do have an A.D.A. and the best advice has already been given,
DON'T GO THERE!!!
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Old Wed Oct 06, 2004, 08:32am
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Re: I would not even consider asking him to do anything different!

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...our association sees the chair as a dangerous object to be in the vicinity of the football field...
I would summize that in Canada, home of 12-man, 3-Down, football and ref18,
they do not have to deal with the Americans with Disabilities Act (A.D.A.).
However, in the land of the free and the home of the brave,
we do have an A.D.A. and the best advice has already been given,
DON'T GO THERE!!!
But ref18 is an American right????? He lives in North America.
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