Start clock or not???

[Illini_Ref]

Here is the situation. 4th down, team A has the ball and a six point lead. 45 seconds left for the game, clock running. Clock gets to 23 seconds and Team A commits a falsse start. Official stops the clock for the penalty, enforces it, and puts the ball back ready for play. DO YOU START THE CLOCK and let Team A run the clock out???

I know that in most instances you start the clock, but how about in this case. I know there is a rule that lets the referee start or stop the clock if he feels a team is gaining an advantage and manipulating the clock.

I don't think I wuld wind the clock unitl the snap in this case. Opinions please.

[mcrowder]

I don't think anyone on this board would wind the clock until the snap in this case. This is a textbook example of the rule you referenced.

[Rich]

Originally posted by mcrowder
I don't think anyone on this board would wind the clock until the snap in this case. This is a textbook example of the rule you referenced.

On the snap for me.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Illini_Ref
Here is the situation. 4th down, team A has the ball and a six point lead. 45 seconds left for the game, clock running. Clock gets to 23 seconds and Team A commits a falsse start. Official stops the clock for the penalty, enforces it, and puts the ball back ready for play. DO YOU START THE CLOCK and let Team A run the clock out???

I would not. The team got the clock stopped by an illegal act and would benefit if the clock was started.

Originally posted by Illini_Ref
I know that in most instances you start the clock, but how about in this case. I know there is a rule that lets the referee start or stop the clock if he feels a team is gaining an advantage and manipulating the clock.

There is a rule. Rule 3-4-3h.

Originally posted by Illini_Ref
I don't think I wuld wind the clock unitl the snap in this case. Opinions please.

I agree.

Peace

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by mcrowder
I don't think anyone on this board would wind the clock until the snap in this case.

I'm not going to be the one to make your statement false.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: I agree...use NF 3-6-3 to keep the clocked stopped until the snap.

[SouthGARef]

Our association had this case in the first half last week. In fact, the clock operator said he even heard one of the coaches say "Watch, they're about to jump offsides on purpose." Indeed, when it happen the WH (our association president) started the clock on the snap.

[Bob Proctor]

If the clock is started on the ready and runs out after an accepted foul, you must have an untimed down.

Rule ref. 3.3.3a: "A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurs: (a) There was a foul, other than unsportsmanlike or non-player, by either team and the penalty is accepted".

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Illini_Ref
Here is the situation. 4th down, team A has the ball and a six point lead. 45 seconds left for the game, clock running. Clock gets to 23 seconds and Team A commits a falsse start. Official stops the clock for the penalty, enforces it, and puts the ball back ready for play. DO YOU START THE CLOCK and let Team A run the clock out???

I know that in most instances you start the clock, but how about in this case. I know there is a rule that lets the referee start or stop the clock if he feels a team is gaining an advantage and manipulating the clock.

I don't think I wuld wind the clock unitl the snap in this case. Opinions please.

We have a rule that under the 3-minute warning, plays start on the snap if after a penalty application.

[BoBo]

Some guys in my area and some coaches do not realize the clock is started on the snap after any accepted delay of game penalty.

Coach tries to run the clock down at the end of halves or games and realizes that he has now stopped the clock himself.

[OverAndBack]

Isn't there a casebook play on the same type thing being done to not let a punter take advantage of the wind he'd get by switching ends by taking a penalty late in a quarter?

[Bob Proctor]

First of all, I don't know what the heck you guys are doing way up north, but down here we only let 11 guys play for each side at any one time. Besides, aren't you guys supposed to be curling? Second, there is no 3 minute warning in the land of REAL football ...;-). Third, the foul was for a false start, not a delay of game. The clock would normally start on the ready. If it runs out after an accepted penalty you must run an untimed down to complete the quarter. I'd sure like to attend a CFL game some day. It's a nice little game.

[Deep]

Originally posted by Bob Proctor
If the clock is started on the ready and runs out after an accepted foul, you must have an untimed down.

Rule ref. 3.3.3a: "A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurs: (a) There was a foul, other than unsportsmanlike or non-player, by either team and the penalty is accepted".

During the last timed down, not for a dead ball foul such as a false start. That's why you must use 3-6-3 FED (3-4-3 NCAA) to start on the snap in this case.

[Deep]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
Isn't there a casebook play on the same type thing being done to not let a punter take advantage of the wind he'd get by switching ends by taking a penalty late in a quarter?

Probably, but I'm in Michigan, and we only get the Casebooks every other year so I can't look that up for you. But yes, this is a classic example of when you should invoke FED 3-6-3 so that they do not gain an advantage.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Bob Proctor
If the clock is started on the ready and runs out after an accepted foul, you must have an untimed down.

Rule ref. 3.3.3a: "A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurs: (a) There was a foul, other than unsportsmanlike or non-player, by either team and the penalty is accepted".

Nope.

Dead ball foul, so it didn't occur during the down - don't extend the period.