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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 12:27am
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My friend and I are having this debate about what is legal if an attempted field goal is short. He claims that as long as the ball does not go out of the endzone on the fly, anybody on the opposing team can return it for a possible touchdown. My stance is that this is treated like a PAT...if the defender gets possession, then the play is whistled dead. What is the official rule on this? Thanks!
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 12:45am
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Your friend is right, you're wrong.
A unsuccessful FGA is nothing more than a punt. As long as it doesn't break the goal line plane, it can be returned by R.
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 01:19am
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 07:31am
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I assume the question pertains to NFL rules, but I almost sure that the ball would have to be on the gound in the EZ (untouched in the field of play) before it becomes dead. Just like under NCAA rules.
Otherwise, team-B can run it out if they want. May not be a wise move as they probably will get a better spot to take over per rules for unsuccessful field goal attempts
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 08:52am
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In the NFL, as long as no one from R touches it beyond the NZ, it reverts to the spot of the actual kick. If a member of R touches it beyond the NZ, whoever possesses it after the touch is awarded a new series. If R touches the ball beyond the NZ and it subsequently goes OB, it is R's ball at the OB spot. If K recovers the ball in the end zone after R has touched it beyond the NZ, it is a TD.
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 08:59am
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 10:32am
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In our game, a missed FGA is treated as a punt. Of course, rule implications is that the restraining zone is still in effect. Although it's not difficult to work into one's game, newbie officials sometimes forget this when the endzone comes into play. Offside K players still need to "give yards" to the R team, even when the ball is recovered in the EZ. If the ball is recovered in the EZ, and (i) the play becomes dead in the EZ (by tackle, ball OOB or player with ball going OOB), a rouge is scored, worth 1 point. Next scrimmage: 35 yard line. (This is a a big difference from the rules you're probably used to.) (ii) the player gets out of the EZ but less than the 20, the next scrimmage point is the 20 yard line. Some teams will "give up the point" to gain the extra 15 yard of field. However, in Canada, the uprights are located on the goal line and if a FG is short, then is obviously bounced in the field of play. In any event, the ball is live and may be returned for a TD.
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 11:49am
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The point is that the original poster felt that a FGA was the same as a try, that the ball became dead when it was apparent the try was unsuccessful. We know that's not true. It can be advanced.
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Wed Dec 31, 2003, 01:45pm
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Sat Jan 03, 2004, 12:43pm
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An earlier post mentioned NFL rules re punts and field goal trys going into the end zone. I had a bizarre ending to a Mason-Dixon Football League playoff game this past season. This is a semi-pro league played under NFL rules. Regulation time ended in a tie. First overtime , still tied. Second overtime with a little over two minutes left, team A attempts a field goal which is partially blocked. The ball bounces into the end zone where a player of team B tries to pick it up but muffs it and team A player falls on it for the winning touchdown, four hours and thirty-five minutes after kick-off.
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Thu Jan 08, 2004, 04:04pm
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The aforementioned NFL play happened on a Monday Night during the 2002 season. Denver tried a very long field goal, only because it was the last play of the 1st half and it was kicked by Jason Elam. Baltimore's Chris McAllsiter caught the short kick 2 yards in front of the goalpost and brought it out while Denver stood around. Ray Lewis leveled a devistating block to spring his returner free for a 108 yard TD return of a missed FG - the longest play in NFL history.
The old Baltimore Colts in the 1950's used to have a tall receiver, namded RC Owens, who was famous for catching "Alley Oop" passes, ala Randy Moss, that were thrown up high - for grabs. A few times, he was stationed in front of the goal posts on opponents long FG attempts to return missed kicks. A very few times, he was able to jump up and knock the ball to keep it from going over the crossbar - a "blocked" FG. However, now, NFL rules prohibit this practice. A defender could, however, bat a FG attempt (from his end zone) over the crossbar, and the kick would be good. I don't know why someone would do this, but in theory, one could kick a very long successful FG if the defense "helped" him get the ball over the goal in this manner.
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Mon Jan 19, 2004, 07:24pm
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Found this wrinkle...
First of all, I would like to thank everyone for weighing in on this. After reading all the posts, I was about to acknowledge to my friend that he, indeed, was correct. However, I came across this play by play of the Monday Night game in question...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...meId=220930033 This is the espn play by play summary. According to the summary, the FGA by Elam at the end of the 1st half was BLOCKED. In my original post, I had asked what would happen if it was caught short on the fly in the EZ. This would be without any assistance from the defense (tips, "Alley Oops" ala RC Owens, or clear cut blocks). ESPN could have logged it as a block erroneously. Does anyone know where old recaps could be found of games besides ESPN? The date of the game was September 30, 2002. Thanks for all of your help!
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Mon Jan 19, 2004, 07:35pm
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If it was touched in or behind the neutral zone by the defense, the touching is ignored (not relevant to any ensuing act by either team). If it goes beyond the neutral zone after being touched by the defense, the same rules apply. If it stays behind the neutral zone and is recovered by the kicking team, they may advance it. If they reach the line to gain, they are awarded a new series of downs.
If one of the defense got a hand on it, I guess it is (partially) blocked for stat purposes. A kick can get touched by the defense and still score, though.
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