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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 05:19pm
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What is the correct procedure for giving a sideline warning? Is it:

1. Drop your flag
2. Signal Sideline warning
3. Relay to WH


or

1. Drop your flag
2. Relay to WH
3. WH signals to sideline.

or anything else?

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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 06:31pm
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If it is the team's first warning,
1. Blow whistle and signal timeout
2. Relay to WH
3. WH signals to sideline. No yardage is assessed.

2nd warning is 5 yard peanlty.

3rd warning is 15 yard USC on head coach.
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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 07:42pm
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Here is what the official's manual has.

First Violation
Covering official sounds whistle, gives signal, reports to WH.
WH gives signal and indicates sideline.
Covering official echos signal and verbally tells coach of warning including reminder of distance penalty for next one.
All officials record time and period when warning given.
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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 07:45pm
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Depends where you are. Many places want a flag thrown.

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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 07:55pm
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Depends where you are. Many places want a flag thrown.

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I would too. Book only says to flag after the first. I want my guys to flag the first also.
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Old Mon Nov 03, 2003, 08:23pm
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Mechanics and Overtime procedures are very similar. No matter where you are, it's bound to be different somewhere else.
OT I can understand. NF allows states the freedom to do how they see fit. I'm ok with that and so should everyone else.

But for a sideline warning, why the flag? The first one is a nothing. It's just a warning of what may come. The signal (S15) alone is enought for letting everyone in the house know what happened. If anything, it may keep the annoucer busy looking up what it means.
Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the ego of who is in charge and the "we'll do it my way" attitude.
Count me in for a no flag on the first warning (and hopefully only warning needed).
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 12:31am
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It has nothing to do with power. It serves to draw attention to the sideline warning.

Why can't some people simply accept that there are differences without disparaging them?
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 07:49am
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Rich, if a WH standing in the middle of field, issuing S15 isn't enought to convey what happened, then I don't know what else would. A flag mean there is a foul/penalty. For SW number 1, there is no foul and there is no penalty.

If NFHS mechanics are being followed, then they should be followed to the letter until changed. They say no flag until the second warning.
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 09:48am
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Depends where you are. Many places want a flag thrown.

Rich
Illinois wants a flag on the first one and the signal given by the Referee.
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 09:54am
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Mike's answer shows exactly what I was trying to say. The NFHS mechanics are used as GUIDELINES in most places. Theisey, if you're in a place that follows all the mechanics verbatim, good for you. But for the rest of us, we do what our states, associations, and local customs dictate. I don't work for the NFHS after all.

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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 12:03pm
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Fine with me. The only way to answer a mechanics question (or Overtime question) posted in this forum then would be to reply with, contact your assignor, chapter or state interpretor.
Save yourself $6.50 every other year.
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 01:13pm
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That's not true, either. For most situations, for most places, the book is followed. But treating the book way as the only right way and everything else as "wrong" isn't the way to go, either.

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Old Tue Nov 04, 2003, 01:23pm
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Talking A flag does get their attention...

I'm in the throw-a-flag on the first offense/warning violation.

First of all, it gets the offending sideline's attention in a hurry. Also, it is a rule violation even on the first offense. Its just that by rule, no distance penalty is assessed for the first violation/warning. Its simply a warning to get the team's attention.

The second violation is 5 yards, then the third and succeeding violations are 15 yards and an unsportsmanlike conduct foul on the head coach. (That would be a good one for the thread I was recently reading about head coaches standing on top of the gym or up in the press box...LOL...who goes up to the top of the gym to tell the coach, or do you just radio him?)...
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