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Old Thu Aug 12, 2021, 11:29am
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The "Penalty" descriptions under NFHS: 9-4-4 advises, "Disqualification also if ANY fouls under these articles ARE JUDGED BY THE GAME OFFICIAL to be flagrant. (See NFHS: 2-16-2-c).

Based solely on the judgment, of what the calling official observes, the consequences can rise to disqualification for both "Noncontact Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Players/Non-Players" and/or Illegal Personal Contact fouls
I am very aware we can rule any personal foul a flagrant foul, but you have to rule that an individual acts as a flagrant act, not use an accumulation of actions that result in a disqualification. An Unsporting act can also be ruled flagrant, but if you get 2 fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct, you are disqualified from the game. So a player could have 5 personal fouls and not be required to leave the contest. Not the case with multiple unsporting acts. That is why it matters how we call acts with or without contact.

And unsporting acts or conduct is a POE this year. We were told in our area not to go around ejecting players for acts that were not unsporting but PF in nature.

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Old Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:04pm
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I am very aware we can rule any personal foul a flagrant foul, but you have to rule that an individual acts as a flagrant act, not use an accumulation of actions that result in a disqualification. An Unsporting act can also be ruled flagrant, but if you get 2 fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct, you are disqualified from the game. So a player could have 5 personal fouls and not be required to leave the contest. Not the case with multiple unsporting acts. That is why it matters how we call acts with or without contact.

And unsporting acts or conduct is a POE this year. We were told in our area not to go around ejecting players for acts that were not unsporting but PF in nature.

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Not looking to split hairs, and agree multiple USC behavior can produce automatic disqualification, whereas Flagrant PF is judged per incident, BUT individual PF that rise to the level of Flagrant, or if repetitive and repeated, depending on the judgment of the covering official can, and should where appropriate, merit disqualification based on their severity.
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Old Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:48pm
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Not looking to split hairs, and agree multiple USC behavior can produce automatic disqualification, whereas Flagrant PF is judged per incident, BUT individual PF that rise to the level of Flagrant, or if repetitive and repeated, depending on the judgment of the covering official can, and should where appropriate, merit disqualification based on their severity.
As I said, if you wish to call something flagrant that is a personal foul, that is your right and judgment. Just pointing out that only a flagrant personal foul can eject or disqualify a player. Multiple personal fouls do not do the trick by rule. And we were told not to go around ejecting players for single acts unless it really rises to the stage of a flagrant act, which has to be judged alone.

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Old Tue Aug 17, 2021, 07:04pm
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As I said, if you wish to call something flagrant that is a personal foul, that is your right and judgment. Just pointing out that only a flagrant personal foul can eject or disqualify a player. Multiple personal fouls do not do the trick by rule. And we were told not to go around ejecting players for single acts unless it really rises to the stage of a flagrant act, which has to be judged alone.

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Agree, Disqualification for a FLAGRANT PF requires a SERIOUS violation, BUT it is an application available and designed specifically for to address SERIOUS, UNACCEPTABLE behavior.
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