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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:42am
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Short answer- yes

Long answer- The runner historically tends to get more leeway when lowering his helmet to finish the play.
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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:03am
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For the record, there is no targeting rule in the NFL. I cannot speak for the CFL at all, but only NCAA and NF have a targeting rule. And the runner is not considered a defenseless player, neither is a defender trying to make a tackle, which is one major component of the targeting rule. Also targeting has nothing to do with helmet to helmet contact either. Now the NFL has some rules with helmet contact, but that is not based on any helmet contact. There is a lot of misconceptions in all the rules at those levels.

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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:16am
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In NFHS targeting doesn’t require a defenseless player. But it does require “taking aim” and making contact above the shoulders. The runner generally isn’t concerned with “taking aim” at a defender.
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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:23am
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In NFHS targeting doesn’t require a defenseless player. But it does require “taking aim” and making contact above the shoulders. The runner generally isn’t concerned with “taking aim” at a defender.
It is not required in either NF or NCAA, but it is a factor. More responsibility is on the person hitting a defenseless player. A runner is not a defenseless player in either and if there is helmet contact for lowering their shoulder to gain yardage, it can be considered not a foul or incidental in nature. In NCAA you can have targeting without any helmet area contact if you use the crown of your head.

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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:52am
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Thanks for all of the replies. It seems that an Offensive Player can get away with using his helmet while the Defensive Player cannot.

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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:13am
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Thanks for all of the replies. It seems that an Offensive Player can get away with using his helmet while the Defensive Player cannot.

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It is not an issue of getting away with it, but runners are allowed to lower their head to gain yardage. Just because there is contact with helmets is not a foul at any level automatically. Runners are considered to be protecting themselves differently than players trying to hit them. Yes, they get more of the benefit of the doubt, but most of the time a runner is not using their head the same way when they have defenders or blockers trying to hit an opponent. Without actually seeing the play, it is hard to know what it looked like honestly.

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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:37am
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If the runner isn't projecting the helmet to gain an advantage, but only for protection, I'd ask whether, if the game were played without helmets (as for instance in American Sevens), the runner would act the same way with his head. Or even consider, if his helmet came off, but play couldn't stop in time to prevent a collision, would the runner adopt the same posture to protect himself?

I'm not trying to be flip, this is a serious question, and it may involve a tradeoff between possible head and neck injury. If I had to choose, knowing what I do, I'd risk my head before my neck, because the same blow that would result in a temporary KO if delivered to the chin would have a greater likelihood of a permanent neck injury if delivered to the crown or back of the head.
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Old Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:23am
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Thanks for all of the replies. It seems that an Offensive Player can get away with using his helmet while the Defensive Player cannot.

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For the record: NFHS 2-20-2: "TARGETING is an act by [B][I][U] any player[U][U][B][I] who takes aim and initiates contact against an opponent above the shoulders or below withe crown (top portion) of his helmet."
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:02pm
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Thanks for all of the replies. It seems that an Offensive Player can get away with using his helmet while the Defensive Player cannot

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Butt Blocking (NFHS 2-20-1a) and Spearing (NFHS 2-20-1b) along with Targeting (NFHS 2-20-2) each specify "an act by ANY player (which includes both Offensive and Defensive players)
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