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Old Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:33pm
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Avocation ???
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Avocation: Noun:
1. a subordinate occupation pursued in addition to one's vocation especially for enjoyment
2. something a person does in addition to a principal occupation, especially for pleasure;
3. an activity that you pursue when you're not at work
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Old Wed Jul 29, 2015, 09:52pm
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Avocation: Noun:
1. a subordinate occupation pursued in addition to one's vocation especially for enjoyment
2. something a person does in addition to a principal occupation, especially for pleasure;
3. an activity that you pursue when you're not at work
I know what the word means. I have never heard anyone suggest you only put your primary jobs on a resume'. You put all your jobs. Some people have multiple jobs at one time. That is not an unusual situation for many people in this country.

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Old Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:13am
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I know what the word means. I have never heard anyone suggest you only put your primary jobs on a resume'. You put all your jobs. Some people have multiple jobs at one time. That is not an unusual situation for many people in this country.

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That is not what resume experts recommend. A potential employer is going to stop reading and move to the next resume if you include a lot of stuff unrelated to the specific job being filled. I'm not saying you shouldn't include the officiating info, but it may or may not be something that will help you get the job. If not, it should probably be left out so unless your job history is pretty weak or don't really have anything else to put on it.
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Old Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:22am
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That is not what resume experts recommend. A potential employer is going to stop reading and move to the next resume if you include a lot of stuff unrelated to the specific job being filled. I'm not saying you shouldn't include the officiating info, but it may or may not be something that will help you get the job. If not, it should probably be left out so unless your job history is pretty weak or don't really have anything else to put on it.
For the vast majority of people, officiating is not what pays the mortgage. I know it doesn't pay mine.

There is a risk here -- people who put officiating stuff on a resume run the risk of having someone read it who thinks "he's going to want to leave work early" or "he won't be available to be 'on call' in the evenings" or "he won't want to travel for the job and miss games." Or they could be amongst those idiots who think all referees are turds.

In my limited experience, I've had to answer more questions like this than have fascinating discussions on the positive aspects of my officiating. The last time I interviewed for a job (and this was 11 years ago), I talked openly about my officiating. They offered me a job, but told me that they had a strict policy about working a second job and that officiating was in a gray area that many in the company would not appreciate. I had another job at the time, didn't like the vibes of this, and stayed where I am -- and have been there now for another 12 years.

I hire people. If I was your manager or interviewer, it would be a big plus for me. I know what many officials bring to the table. Many don't. Choose carefully.

(My LinkedIn page includes officiating, BTW. People will look there even if I don't have it on my resume.)
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Old Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:08am
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Maybe a good compromise here would be to list officiating as an "avocation" on your resume rather than a "job".
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For the vast majority of people, officiating is not what pays the mortgage. I know it doesn't pay mine.

There is a risk here -- people who put officiating stuff on a resume run the risk of having someone read it who thinks "he's going to want to leave work early" or "he won't be available to be 'on call' in the evenings" or "he won't want to travel for the job and miss games." Or they could be amongst those idiots who think all referees are turds...(My LinkedIn page includes officiating, BTW. People will look there even if I don't have it on my resume.)
Exactly the same for me. I've been in sales all my working life and I've been in position to hire people. With a stack of resumes to sift through, a manager is looking for reasons to weed some out. Any avocation requiring multiple nights a week on the fringe of the workday just make it an easy reason to push them aside for the reasons you list. I've never included it on my career resume, but I have a separate officiating resume. Also listed as "Skill" on on my LinkedIn page.
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When I was first starting out in my professional career being able to point to my officiating experience was a positive thing. Now I don't honestly have the room for it on a resume and I have enough professional experience that I don't need it.

I used to maintain a list of my officiating achievements on my LinkedIn page until I had a couple of people that I consider mentors tell me I might want to consider taking them off because "nobody cares". Outside of a hiring manager that might be an official also, I think that is generally true. I will probably add officiating back as an activity on LinkedIn.

I don't think there's anything wrong with maintaining officiating on a resume if it does truly help you. It doesn't for me anymore so I don't.

Curling, back to your original question, I like what you have there but I'd personally not include this line:

"Maintain a demanding schedule with paperwork, travel, and availability while successfully balancing a full time job"

Like others have said, this would lead me to wonder if what you doing is so intensive that it detracts from your work. Now being an official, I know that's not necessarily true but I think it hurts more than it helps.
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That is not what resume experts recommend. A potential employer is going to stop reading and move to the next resume if you include a lot of stuff unrelated to the specific job being filled. I'm not saying you shouldn't include the officiating info, but it may or may not be something that will help you get the job. If not, it should probably be left out so unless your job history is pretty weak or don't really have anything else to put on it.
The skill we do as officials and preach are things most jobs would want. Unless you work in a hole and never deal with anyone, you are doing something as an official that can and will help you in any position. We talk about professionalism, conflict management or resolution, schedule setting, working with other people, being on time, being in leadership positions and in my case working with the larger state association extensively, I want anyone I might work with to know that.

And when our economy crashed in this country and we had people being laid off left and right, it was officiating that helped people bridge the gap. I would rather have something there that said I was working and making money than maybe 2 years without a job might be a good idea to mention I was not unemployed so to speak. Just like you working as an official can undermine your employment checks if you are taking income of some kind if you do not report the income. Then I am not going to tell the people that are potentially hiring me and I have not been sitting on my behind? To each his own I guess.

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