What would you do?

Originally Posted by OKREF

The play at 28:06 was almost a big mess. My partner had a block, I had a PC. This is something we pre gamed, and in our corner, anytime we have a double whistle like this the lead has it, (in 2 man mechanics). Could have easily had a blarge here.

Why did you even have a whistle there from Trail??

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Why did you even have a whistle there from Trail??

Yes the trail should hold his whistle, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the trail having a whistle, but just hold the signal to see what the lead has so we don't have conflicting signals. This play started in the trails primary, there's no way I'm giving it up without knowing for certain my partner has picked it up. He may be officiating post play and not pick it up clean. I'm staying with the drive, especially when it's into the lane.

[deecee]

I don't see anything wrong with the T having a whistle here, in fact probably better from the T. I did think it was a PC.

edit. I meant the T should not have had a whistle here, I got my T's and L's mixed up again.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes the trail should hold his whistle, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the trail having a whistle, but just hold the signal to see what the lead has so we don't have conflicting signals. This play started in the trails primary, there's no way I'm giving it up without knowing for certain my partner has picked it up. He may be officiating post play and not pick it up clean. I'm staying with the drive, especially when it's into the lane.

But your partner did pick it up, and had a whistle. Cadence whistle is what is needed here.

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes the trail should hold his whistle

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't think there is anything wrong with the trail having a whistle

These are conflicting statements, which do you truly believe?

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes the trail should hold his whistle

Correct.

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't think there is anything wrong with the trail having a whistle

Wrong.

Originally Posted by OKREF

but just hold the signal to see what the lead has so we don't have conflicting signals

Certainly, this is standard for all double whistles.

Originally Posted by OKREF

there's no way I'm giving it up without knowing for certain my partner has picked it up

It's in his primary. Do you not trust him to referee his primary, especially a strong-side drive to the basket (going away from you) with secondary defenders right in front of him??

Originally Posted by OKREF

He may be officiating post play and not pick it up clean.

What post play? This is a drive to the bucket right in his lap, I'd wager he's not refereeing post play.

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm staying with the drive, especially when it's into the lane.

Which is totally fine, but you need to know what you as Trail have responsibility to referee and what your partner has to pick up. In this play Trail has the guy who gets beat off the dribble and BI/goaltending and that's it. As Trail you blew on a secondary defender block/charge situation. That is 100% Lead's call, and in two or three person there should be no way Trail ever has a whistle on that play. If Trail would have a whistle it would have to be for a hit on the drive prior to the block/charge.

I hear old dudes all the time pregame "if the drive starts in your primary you've got it all the way to the basket". This is old thinking and frankly just wrong by how we do things today.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Correct.


I hear old dudes all the time pregame "if the drive starts in your primary you've got it all the way to the basket". This is old thinking and frankly just wrong by how we do things today.

Well, we old dudes say that here but what we mean by that is actually what you describe above....the T has the primary defender all the way in to the shot. It is NOT referring to secondary defenders. It is to contrast with the old way of thinking where it was 100% the leads for all defenders once it enters the lane.