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Old Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:07pm
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Why delay it?
Because there are two casebook plays that say to delay calling some fouls, or violations. The key word being "some", not necessarily for an attempted trip, but it's still worth discussing here on the Forum.
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Old Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:54pm
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Because there are two casebook plays that say to delay calling some fouls, or violations. The key word being "some", not necessarily for an attempted trip, but it's still worth discussing here on the Forum.
I agree. Had there been a scoring chance on this play, I would like to think I would have had a delayed whistle. But in was in the backcourt at the free throw line. I think this was a play that needed a whistle on it immediately.
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Old Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:00am
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There are two case book plays about this. One instructs officials to delay whistling a technical foul on the opposing coach or bench personnel when there is a fastbreak situation. The other instructs officials to ignore an attempt to get a non-contact violation that is off-ball called during the opponents fastbreak situation.

There are no other instances listed in the case book to justify delaying a whistle for a foul or violation. Therefore there is no rules justification to delay a contact foul or a non-contact foul by a player under NFHS rules.
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Old Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:42am
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I'm having a hard time seeing giving a flagrant technical for an attempted trip. I suppose if the player is swinging his leg to try and leg whip his opponent, that would make sense.

Trying to just grab him with his hands probably isn't going to look like much other than an uncoordinated flail. I could see perhaps a T here, especially if he's been a problem player, but on a whiff it'll probably be a no call and a strong word first time out.
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Old Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:44pm
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There are two case book plays about this. One instructs officials to delay whistling a technical foul on the opposing coach or bench personnel when there is a fastbreak situation. The other instructs officials to ignore an attempt to get a non-contact violation that is off-ball called during the opponents fastbreak situation.

There are no other instances listed in the case book to justify delaying a whistle for a foul or violation. Therefore there is no rules justification to delay a contact foul or a non-contact foul by a player under NFHS rules.
The case book is not an exhaustive list nor is it establishing rules. It is merely giving examples of plays and how they should be called. The play in question is between the two cases you reference and could conceivably be ruled either way based on those two cases.

One says to ignore violations, in general, but penalize as unsportsmanlike if needed. The other says to delay the call for a technical foul on a coach. It doesn't say to do so only for a coach nor only for a technical foul. It is an example.

It would not be unreasonable to interpret the cited cases as supporting the delay of the call for an intentional or flagrant foul.

It may or may not be wise to delay addressing such an intense type of foul, but the cited cases don't exactly say one way or the other.
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Old Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:58pm
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If a coach or player is being a real pain I will sometimes delay a tech if the other team has the ball until they score or miss.
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Old Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:04pm
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If a coach or player is being a real pain I will sometimes delay a tech if the other team has the ball until they score or miss.
Yup. Or just delay until you get a minute to blow the ball dead and talk to the coach/player, maybe warn the coach (if you and/or your commissioner are in to that tool), etc.

Have done this many times.

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