Summer Leagues - HS

[Freddy]

Question:
Does a summer league scrimmage or league help you or those doing them become better officials?
If not, boycott.
Seriously.
I'm doing that tomorrow and Sunday. And encouraging others as well.
Just got email from local prominent coach: "Need bodies for tomorrow...32 teams coming...blah, blah, blah...all games will be 2-person games only...try to take 8 games if possible..."blah, blah, blah..."
Note: "...bodies..." That's what he considers us.
It's time for dedicated officals to differentiate between "they need me" and "I need this opportunity to get better."
I'm sick of trying to break officials of habits during the school season of shortcut habits they pick up doing eight games a day every weekend during the summer season.
Stop it.
If you have to do things to "conserve energy" in order to make it through the day, you've prostituted yourself.
Seriously.
Stop it.
Really.
Don't do that.

Get it? Got it? Good.

[#olderthanilook]

I love this! Well said! Summer is definitely a great time to work on some things. It's also a great time to become a bit lazy and digress into bad habits. Not ever a good thing...especially the summer when one of the POEs is "Use NFHS mechanics".

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question:
Does a summer league scrimmage or league help you or those doing them become better officials?
If not, boycott.
Seriously.
I'm doing that tomorrow and Sunday. And encouraging others as well.
Just got email from local prominent coach: "Need bodies for tomorrow...32 teams coming...blah, blah, blah...all games will be 2-person games only...try to take 8 games if possible..."blah, blah, blah..."
Note: "...bodies..." That's what he considers us.
It's time for dedicated officals to differentiate between "they need me" and "I need this opportunity to get better."
I'm sick of trying to break officials of habits during the school season of shortcut habits they pick up doing eight games a day every weekend during the summer season.
Stop it.
If you have to do things to "conserve energy" in order to make it through the day, you've prostituted yourself.
Seriously.
Stop it.
Really.
Don't do that.

Get it? Got it? Good.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I love this! Well said! Summer is definitely a great time to work on some things. It's also a great time to become a bit lazy and digress into bad habits. Not ever a good thing...especially the summer when one of the POEs is "Use NFHS mechanics".

I've said it before, but the only games I work during the summer are camp games or games assigned (and required to be worked) by an actual assignor of games in the regular season.

Since I moved, I don't have the latter, so I only work camp games. But I once worked for someone that assigned small college and required a certain number of summer youth games to be worked. I worked the minimum required. The basketball was bad, coaches were worse, and there was no benefit to me working them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I've said it before, but the only games I work during the summer are camp games or games assigned (and required to be worked) by an actual assignor of games in the regular season.

Since I moved, I don't have the latter, so I only work camp games. But I once worked for someone that assigned small college and required a certain number of summer youth games to be worked. I worked the minimum required. The basketball was bad, coaches were worse, and there was no benefit to me working them.

Where are you living now?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question:
Does a summer league scrimmage or league help you or those doing them become better officials?
If not, boycott.
Seriously.
I'm doing that tomorrow and Sunday. And encouraging others as well.
Just got email from local prominent coach: "Need bodies for tomorrow...32 teams coming...blah, blah, blah...all games will be 2-person games only...try to take 8 games if possible..."blah, blah, blah..."
Note: "...bodies..." That's what he considers us.
It's time for dedicated officals to differentiate between "they need me" and "I need this opportunity to get better."
I'm sick of trying to break officials of habits during the school season of shortcut habits they pick up doing eight games a day every weekend during the summer season.
Stop it.
If you have to do things to "conserve energy" in order to make it through the day, you've prostituted yourself.
Seriously.
Stop it.
Really.
Don't do that.

Get it? Got it? Good.

Amen, Brother...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question:
Does a summer league scrimmage or league help you or those doing them become better officials?
If not, boycott.
Seriously.
I'm doing that tomorrow and Sunday. And encouraging others as well.
Just got email from local prominent coach: "Need bodies for tomorrow...32 teams coming...blah, blah, blah...all games will be 2-person games only...try to take 8 games if possible..."blah, blah, blah..."
Note: "...bodies..." That's what he considers us.
It's time for dedicated officals to differentiate between "they need me" and "I need this opportunity to get better."
I'm sick of trying to break officials of habits during the school season of shortcut habits they pick up doing eight games a day every weekend during the summer season.
Stop it.
If you have to do things to "conserve energy" in order to make it through the day, you've prostituted yourself.
Seriously.
Stop it.
Really.
Don't do that.

Get it? Got it? Good.

You lost me here.

[Multiple Sports]

Freddy - GREAT POST !!!!

Unfortunately that is where our avocation has gone......people even on this site
will do 8 games a day on weekends and walk with $450 for a weekend. They aren't switching on fouls, walking up the court and not using proper mechanics....I watched a hs game this past year where two guys that are prostitutes on weekend did a hs game together. When the lead would call a foul, the trail would report the foul, this way they never switched...... these are the same guys that are complaining about everything in our meetings....I'm almost afraid to say that hs basketball is filled with "rec" referees !!!!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Freddy - GREAT POST !!!!

Unfortunately that is where our avocation has gone......people even on this site
will do 8 games a day on weekends and walk with $450 for a weekend. They aren't switching on fouls, walking up the court and not using proper mechanics....I watched a hs game this past year where two guys that are prostitutes on weekend did a hs game together. When the lead would call a foul, the trail would report the foul, this way they never switched...... these are the same guys that are complaining about everything in our meetings....I'm almost afraid to say that hs basketball is filled with "rec" referees !!!!

There's nothing wrong with working these games for money. I can't imagine any other reason for working most of this crap.

Most people with any kind of ability can use the right mechanics when the real games start.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's nothing wrong with working these games for money. I can't imagine any other reason for working most of this crap.

Most people with any kind of ability can use the right mechanics when the real games start.

Agreed...I used to do a lot of these games - back when we used the money for our summer vacation trips. Don't need that money anymore now that I make the big bucks, so I don't work any of these tournaments. They were rarely any fun, and I rarely "learned" anything from them. For me, those summer tournaments were simply a way to earn extra spending money.

[OrStBballRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's nothing wrong with working these games for money. I can't imagine any other reason for working most of this crap.

Most people with any kind of ability can use the right mechanics when the real games start.

Agreed I can turn on/off the summer mechanics pretty quickly when I need to. Doing non-camp summer league stuff for me is generally just a way to get some extra spending money. Maybe I'll work a different rules set here or there to make things interesting, but for the most part I'm doing these for spending summer money.

Now why I 100% subscribe to the summer mechanics philosophy (not always switching etc..) I will give 100% effort when it regards to hustle, consistency, bench decorum etc..but I'm not getting paid like a regular season game and therefore don't see the need to switch on every foul etc...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Question:
Does a summer league scrimmage or league help you or those doing them become better officials?
If not, boycott.
Seriously.
I'm doing that tomorrow and Sunday. And encouraging others as well.
Just got email from local prominent coach: "Need bodies for tomorrow...32 teams coming...blah, blah, blah...all games will be 2-person games only...try to take 8 games if possible..."blah, blah, blah..."
Note: "...bodies..." That's what he considers us.
It's time for dedicated officals to differentiate between "they need me" and "I need this opportunity to get better."
I'm sick of trying to break officials of habits during the school season of shortcut habits they pick up doing eight games a day every weekend during the summer season.
Stop it.
If you have to do things to "conserve energy" in order to make it through the day, you've prostituted yourself.
Seriously.
Stop it.
Really.
Don't do that.

Get it? Got it? Good.

A couple things need to be said here.

First of all summer games are not played the say way that a regular season game is played (at least not here). Games are running clock games. They are often do not keep track of individual fouls, so we never report the number of the fouler. In many case do not shoot the actual FTs that are normally awarded or We often have several courts right next to each other and teams play back to back games without much of a break. No sure what happens we are going to use when if you delay the game during a running clock situation, the participants get very upset. Games take about an hour in most cases as most leagues have either a 20 or 18 minute running clock halves. So how in the hell are you going to do all the regular mechanics in that environment? You totally lost me with your last little statements.

Also if someone is assigned 8 games, is that not on the assignor? I have worked multiple games during the summer already where games were literally all day from the morning to around 10:00pm and I have never seen anyone assigned 8 straight games. I would think because the assignor wants to use a lot of people and in some cases I did not work more than 4 games at a time, at a particular site.

The only reason I do them is to see more plays. I do not even use regular mechanics for signals.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also if someone is assigned 8 games, is that not on the assignor? I have worked multiple games during the summer already where games were literally all day from the morning to around 10:00pm and I have never seen anyone assigned 8 straight games. I would think because the assignor wants to use a lot of people and in some cases I did not work more than 4 games at a time, at a particular site.

It's a two-way street in some areas. Since I've been back home (NY/NJ) I rarely see people work more than two games in a row because there are more than enough officials and we get paid fairly well ($40-50...$60 in some adult leagues). When I was in GA in the late '90s I knew guys who purposely took 6-8 games in a row - both stop- and running-time - because we were only paid $10-15/game. Heck, I took 4 stop-time games in a row a few times but that was truly to work on stuff.

[just another ref]

I think some are making this more complicated than it really is. As stated above, most of these are not "real games," so it is not really practical to treat them as such. If you think working these games will be more of a negative (causing bad habits, etc.) than the money it brings in is worth, then by all means, don't do them. Or you can do what I do. Consider it to be the opportunity to earn 20 bucks an hour for exercising and seeing some kids play ball, things which I often do for free.