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AremRed Mon May 11, 2015 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 962156)
Lower Defensive Block (a defined area around the basket that plays into when the RA is relevant and when it is not in some rule sets.)
Both NCAA-W and NBA rule sets call it the Lower Defensive Box.

MechanicGuy Tue May 12, 2015 12:09am
The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too

APG Tue May 12, 2015 12:21am
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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 962159)
The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too
Nothing interesting about the play...except that Tom Washington (the slot) beat Scott Foster (the trail) with his punch ;)

jeremy341a Tue May 12, 2015 09:34am
I can't see him moving/jumping forward in the clip posted. Would like to see another angle.

APG Tue May 12, 2015 03:50pm
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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 962159)
The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9tw0HBhac

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Yf9tw0HBhac" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 962176)
I can't see him moving/jumping forward in the clip posted. Would like to see another angle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK1U9_h5jw

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JRutledge Tue May 12, 2015 07:57pm
#1-Clear offensive (PC) foul. Not even a question.

#2-Technically a foul on Noah, but LBJ went kind of under and behind the basket. I can see why it was not called.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue May 12, 2015 07:58pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 962209)
#2-Technically a foul on Noah, but LBJ went kind of under and behind the basket. I can see why it was not called.
Why?

JRutledge Tue May 12, 2015 09:11pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 962210)
Why?
I do not think Noah was in a legal position.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue May 12, 2015 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 962219)
I do not think Noah was in a legal position.

Peace
That doesn't really answer the question....Why was't he in legal position?

Raymond Wed May 13, 2015 08:01am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 962210)
Why?
Yeah, I'm curious as to the NBA's reasoning that Noah should have been charged with a foul. He looked legal to me.

Jay R Wed May 13, 2015 08:06am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 962245)
Yeah, I'm curious as to the NBA's reasoning that Noah should have been charged with a foul. He looked legal to me.
Their report says that Noah jumped forward instead of vertically.

Camron Rust Wed May 13, 2015 10:08am
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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 962246)
Their report says that Noah jumped forward instead of vertically.
He may have, but that is not apparent from any of the angles I've seen.

JRutledge Wed May 13, 2015 01:19pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 962228)
That doesn't really answer the question....Why was't he in legal position?
He was not vertical IMO. He jumped forward towards an airborne shooter IMO. So all the contact he had with LBJ was not legal. Again, my opinion, but it was also close and LBJ did not help himself by going so far under the basket which I think the official probably thought about in order to not actually call the foul. He was giving the ball back to the Cavs anyway and probably did not see the contact as obvious. And LBJ took on about 3 guys too which also would make me pause on a close contact play like this.

Peace

AremRed Wed May 13, 2015 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 962257)
He may have, but that is not apparent from any of the angles I've seen.
Not apparent to me either.

Camron Rust Wed May 13, 2015 02:15pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 962280)
He was not vertical IMO. He jumped forward towards an airborne shooter IMO. So all the contact he had with LBJ was not legal. Again, my opinion, but it was also close and LBJ did not help himself by going so far under the basket which I think the official probably thought about in order to not actually call the foul. He was giving the ball back to the Cavs anyway and probably did not see the contact as obvious. And LBJ took on about 3 guys too which also would make me pause on a close contact play like this.

Peace
Thank you. That is an answer.

I can't see that in the video but I also can't see that he was straight up. I can't argue that a foul is correct or not here.

The supplemental factors that you mention, however, are indeed real in determining if an advantage really did occur even if the contact was no in the defenders vertical plane. Given that LBJ had no where to go whether Noah was legal or not could easily make a foul a non-foul.


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