Bulls/Cavs Last Second No Call (Video 2/2)
 

For those that watched today's Bulls/Cavs game, I thought the penultimate play in which LeBron drives to the basket and initiates contact with Noah was a solid no-call. Noah beats LeBron to the spot, jumps vertically and the contact is caused by LeBron driving into his body. The announcers disagreed and where vehement that LeBron should be shooting two.

By the way, Noah was a secondary defender and inside the RA when he left the floor, so if he had remained on the floor and caused contact I would agree that it would be a block.

Thoughts?

Great no call. I love all the fans screaming bloody murder on Twitter. :D

I'm not sure jumping negates the RA responsibility for secondary defenders.

The RA exists for defenders who are trying to draw a charge from a player who received a pass or started a drive outside the LDB. Noah is jumping to block a shot, thus the RA does not apply and he cannot be called for an RA blocking foul.

RA is not in play if a secondary defender alights in a attempt to block the shot.

Well LeBron made the game winning shot, so the no-call didn't likely change the outcome of the game, so not sure why Cavs fans would be upset. If you're a bulls fan I suppose you could argue that if LBJ gets the call and shoots free throws the Bulls can call time and advance the ball with 1.5 on the clock...

Van Gundy is right, you cannot allow teams to go to their benches with a review in the last two minutes of the fourth quarter.

Why not?

Here's the OP play: Streamable - simple video sharing

I like and respect Van Gundy for his knowledge of the game, but I disagree with his complaint in this instance. First of all, huddling while the play is reviewed is not currently prohibited by rule, so lobby to change/clarify the rule if you don't like it. Secondly, the "extra timeout" has been occurring since the review was instituted, and happens all the time while plays are reviewed in close, game-ending situations. Making it seem like the Cavs are getting some special advantage in this instance is misleading. Lastly, the time on the clock was clearly incorrect, so the review was clearly warranted to correct that error. Change the rule to keep the players on the floor (not that this will really stop them from running a play), but until then it is what it is.

Not to mention it was actually Tom Thibodeau asking for the review.

According to the NBA report, it was ruled incorrect as Noah jumped towards James.

When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was going to be a discussion about Lebron tossing the defender to the side so he could make room for the last shot.....which he just got off.......

Hello! Can you please tell me what do "RA" and "LDB" acronyms stand for?

Restricted Area (the newer rule that deals with the little arc painted around the rim.)

Lower Defensive Block (a defined area around the basket that plays into when the RA is relevant and when it is not in some rule sets.)

Both NCAA-W and NBA rule sets call it the Lower Defensive Box.

The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too

Nothing interesting about the play...except that Tom Washington (the slot) beat Scott Foster (the trail) with his punch ;)

I can't see him moving/jumping forward in the clip posted. Would like to see another angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9tw0HBhac

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK1U9_h5jw

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#1-Clear offensive (PC) foul. Not even a question.

#2-Technically a foul on Noah, but LBJ went kind of under and behind the basket. I can see why it was not called.

Peace

Why?

I do not think Noah was in a legal position.

Peace

That doesn't really answer the question....Why was't he in legal position?

Yeah, I'm curious as to the NBA's reasoning that Noah should have been charged with a foul. He looked legal to me.

Their report says that Noah jumped forward instead of vertically.

He may have, but that is not apparent from any of the angles I've seen.

He was not vertical IMO. He jumped forward towards an airborne shooter IMO. So all the contact he had with LBJ was not legal. Again, my opinion, but it was also close and LBJ did not help himself by going so far under the basket which I think the official probably thought about in order to not actually call the foul. He was giving the ball back to the Cavs anyway and probably did not see the contact as obvious. And LBJ took on about 3 guys too which also would make me pause on a close contact play like this.

Peace

Not apparent to me either.

Thank you. That is an answer.

I can't see that in the video but I also can't see that he was straight up. I can't argue that a foul is correct or not here.

The supplemental factors that you mention, however, are indeed real in determining if an advantage really did occur even if the contact was no in the defenders vertical plane. Given that LBJ had no where to go whether Noah was legal or not could easily make a foul a non-foul.

I am pretty sure I said the same thing earlier. But either way a foul gets called there we are not talking about free timeouts and what players are going to do during a review.

Peace

Yeah, that sends Van Gundy into all-out rant mode.

His rant did so much damage to common sense too. I have heard nothing about this as if the refs are at fault that the rules are what they are, all because that fool talked about something that was not illegal or unethical.

Peace

Jeff VanGundy is, plain and simply, a moron. He was an average coach, and is an awful color commentator at best. He offers knee jerk reactions and has never articulated anything that would give the impression that he put some thought into what he was saying.

I used to think Bill Walton was the worst. But he's Ahmad Rashad compared to JVG.