Where do they come uo with these...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Grrrrr!! hate it when my partner 'cow tows' to these type of calls. It makes me look like I'm too lenient when I do not make such calls (no effect on RSBQ, just defender with quick hands) and it causes the coaches and participants to develop the opinion that we are not "calling it the same on both ends" --which is their predicatable lament.
Whenever my partner ref(s) call 'reach', I pull them aside (during time out or half break or post game) and tell them that it is not a foul. Explaining to them that if you're calling "reaching in" when the that action does not affect RSBQ then you have "nothing" and furthermore, we are not calling the game in a consistent manner. In most cases, the partner responds with "that's what I've been calling for years". It will take a season or two for a ref to dis-embed such a staid mis-conception despite being shown the "light".

Your partner, while using incorrect terminology, might actually be right.....I'm trying to figure out what "reaching in" has to do with RSBQ????

In my mind, the two are unrelated. RSBQ is about handchecking/pushing types of contact affecting ball handler's ability to move.

A defender who "reaches in" and smack the dribbler's arm may not affect any of RSBQ but very well could be and often should be a foul.