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Rich Wed Apr 01, 2015 01:32am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 959840)
I take this as an acknowledgement that I'm right in this case.

I don't care - I didn't even watch the video.

I also don't pee into the wind or tilt at windmills.

just another ref Wed Apr 01, 2015 01:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 959841)
I don't care - I didn't even watch the video.

I also don't pee into the wind or tilt at windmills.


So you now do acknowledge that many obvious travels such as this one are being ignored? And to question this would be to pee into the wind?

Rich Wed Apr 01, 2015 01:48am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 959842)
So you now do acknowledge that many obvious travels such as this one are being ignored? And to question this would be to pee into the wind?

I acknowledge nothing. Like I said, I haven't watched the video.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 01, 2015 02:20am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 959829)
Play #1: It does not look like a BI at all.

Play #2: Sorry, but this looks like a charge to me. The player is not airborne at the time of contact and the player looks like he moved laterally.

I agree.

Camron Rust Wed Apr 01, 2015 02:43am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 959844)
I agree.

Does the fact that the upper body contact is on the outside of each player's shoulder affect whether you think the defender's lateral movement would be legal?

Nevadaref Wed Apr 01, 2015 03:07am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 959846)
Does the fact that the upper body contact is on the outside of each player's shoulder affect whether you think the defender's lateral movement would be legal?

I do consider the location of the contact to be an indicator of whether the defender got in front of the offensive player or if the offensive player got his head and shoulders past the defender. In my opinion, the offensive player did not get his head and shoulders past the defender moving laterally on this play. The contact seems to be above the I in Irish and below the black memorial patch on the jersey of the defender.

Also, the fact that the offensive player's left foot initially comes down on top of the defender's right foot, tells me that the defender did beat his opponent to this spot on the floor.

Raymond Wed Apr 01, 2015 07:56am

1) don't see much in the way of BI. As for the spin move, officials easily could have judged that the gather wasn't completed until left foot was planted.

2) to me it is not even close. #11 is moving forward into the offensive player. Look at the angle the right shoulder of #11 is moving at the time of contact. In fact, it is #11's moving right shoulder that initiates the contact. Additionally, the contact between #11's right foot and Harrison's left foot occurs before #11 has returned his right foot to the ground. And #11's right leg was moving towards Harrison at the time of contact.

AremRed Wed Apr 01, 2015 09:20am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 959825)
Of course, by far the most obvious thing in either video is the spin move travel which David Hall encouraged us to get.



But nobody got it.

David Hall knows where his bread is buttered.


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