Giving Help: GSU/Xavier (Video)

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I pregame this every game. "If you see a deflection, come to me. I'll change my call unless I saw the deflection plus a second deflection."

Seems to work well and I haven't had any issues when this has occurred in the past. Easy to explain and video supports it.

Agree with this. I have no expectation that the call will be overturned (either as the off official or as the calling official) in a help situation like this. The goal is to get it right. Perfectly acceptable for the officials to discuss briefly and confirm the call.

I doubt the Lead would have overturned the call simply because of etiquette (at least I hope not).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

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I doubt the Lead would have overturned the call simply because of etiquette (at least I hope not).

I'll say this. I work small college ball in ACC country (where you obviously reside also). Jamie Luckie and Lee Cassell are both ACC officials. Jamie Luckie is looked up to by many college officials in these parts.

In many a college pre-game, I have heard the statement, "If you come to me, I'm changing my call". Never any discussion of actually discussing the play. This leads me to believe, somewhere a long time ago, this became an accepted/expected practice in the Carolina/VA/MD area. I'm not saying it's right (because it isn't), just saying what it appears to be down here in ACC country.

I have twice in my career rejected help from a partner. Once in a HS game where a kid got whacked and I went brain dead and didn't blow my whistle. I simply told my partner that if I blow my whistle now to change the call, it will be to call the foul that I missed. It was no big deal, and nobody else in the gym knew what was going on.

The other time in a JuCo game, my partner gave me a look and started to approach me. I shook my head to let him know not to come. I knew I had the call right, and the play happened right in front of me.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll say this. I work small college ball in ACC country (where you obviously reside also). Jamie Luckie and Lee Cassell are both ACC officials. Jamie Luckie is looked up to by many college officials in these parts.

In many a college pre-game, I have heard the statement, "If you come to me, I'm changing my call". Never any discussion of actually discussing the play. This leads me to believe, somewhere a long time ago, this became an accepted/expected practice in the Carolina/VA/MD area. I'm not saying it's right (because it isn't), just saying what it appears to be down here in ACC country.

I'm sure you're right ... you would have more insight than I do as to what is common at that level. I do think it's unfortunate if officials at the top level think that way. As I said, I would hope that getting the call right would be most important thing.