Giving Help: GSU/Xavier (Video)

[Raymond]

Do not necessarily need a video posted, but at the 10:31 mark of the 2nd half is a perfect example of why I do not volunteer information on OOB plays that occur in a partner's primary.

A1 drives lane from the C, and gets contested at the lane line near the low block. He attempts to pass the ball and it ends up flying OOB in front of the Lead. The Lead indicates B's ball. The C comes in and provides information and the call is changed to A's ball.

Replay clearly shows that the ball went off A1. Ball initially hits B2's side, but on follow through A1 hits the ball again directly in the line of the Lead's vision.

Now the question. The Lead followed the proper etiquette we all been taught that if a partner provides information, change the call. So in the last minute of a closely contested HS game (NCAA would have a monitor review), would you, as Lead change, the call per etiquette, or would you explain to the C that you clearly saw the ball go off A1 and stick with the call?

[CNYREF]

Would like the video. I saw this play and the replay I thought it was good info because it went off his side i did not see it hit A1 after tho

[MechanicGuy]

It was a poor overturn. There was nothing about the play that required more information than the lead had. He had by far the best look at the play.

If I saw the ball hit the defenders side, and then saw the offense touch the ball again, I would explain that to my partner and stick with my original call.

[frezer11]

If there is a double tap, and the calling official clearly sees the second tab, then you shouldn't change your call regardless of "etiquette." A secondary official can come in with additional information as to a tap, but they may not see that final glance which gives the ball to the other team. Don't just change the call because of some so called "etiquette," have a discussion and make the correct called based on all of the available information.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If there is a double tap, and the calling official clearly sees the second tab, then you shouldn't change your call regardless of "etiquette." A secondary official can come in with additional information as to a tap, but they may not see that final glance which gives the ball to the other team. Don't just change the call because of some so called "etiquette," have a discussion and make the correct called based on all of the available information.

Agreed. I've left the call the same multiple times, and had my help "refused" based on information *after* what the outside official saw.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. I've left the call the same multiple times, and had my help "refused" based on information *after* what the outside official saw.

I pregame this every game. "If you see a deflection, come to me. I'll change my call unless I saw the deflection plus a second deflection."

Seems to work well and I haven't had any issues when this has occurred in the past. Easy to explain and video supports it.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If there is a double tap, and the calling official clearly sees the second tab, then you shouldn't change your call regardless of "etiquette." A secondary official can come in with additional information as to a tap, but they may not see that final glance which gives the ball to the other team. Don't just change the call because of some so called "etiquette," have a discussion and make the correct called based on all of the available information.

Amen.

This should always be pre-gamed so it's 100% understood no one is out to hurt anyone else's pride. If I come to you with information and you disagree, that tells me that you had a high-certainty call. I'm perfectly ok with this. Play on.