Yeah, we agree. :)

Troll much?

@JohnHigginsHair was on the game. Doesn't get more big time than thst. Padilla's a PAC12 official and Kelly works in the ACC.

Better quality clip of play:

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From that view it appears to me that the angle between the arm and the vertical of the player is about 30 degrees. Those of you who see this player as okay vertically, is that because you think the angle is less than that or because you think that amount of leaning over a shooter is okay?

The one issue I have on this play is that the trail official does not signal the 3 point try. As I said earlier, I'm okay with the no-call, but the trail official invites extra scrutiny by not signalling the 3pt try. It makes me question how engaged he was in the play.

If he had appeared more engaged and signaled the 3pt try, I would be more confident in supporting a no-call.

While the defender is not perfectly vertical, and may even be outside his own verticality, you can't dismiss the fact that the shooter is clearly jumping into the defender to try and draw a foul. By calling a shooting foul here you're bailing out the shooter.

Also, if the shooter wasn't jumping into the defense to draw a foul, the contact wouldn't have happened in the first place, making the shooter at least partially at fault. Should his fault be pushed aside? I don't think so.

No call.

I'm fine with that analysis. Or at least fine enough not to wander into the weeds of it, but your at clear disagreement with a number of people on this board who say he was in his own vertical space.

I didn't not say he was or wasn't vertical. I said that "while the defender is not perfectly vertical, and may even be outside his own verticality..."

It appears to me that the contact, caused by the shooter, is on the hand of the shooter which is holding the ball. There is not enough responsibility for illegal contact by the defender to call a foul.

Oh, the defender was not vertical. But I have the shooter moving forward into his stationary arm and creating contact with an unnatural shooting motion.

It tells me he was engaged and trying to watch the whole play. He likely was focussed on deciding whether to make a call, and by the time he decided, the ball was flying OOB anyway.

And, the first point of contact appeared to be the defenders armpit area, not the arm that was over the shooter. Any contact with the lower arm was secondary at that point.

I would like to refund you a penny.

One could say that by not calling a foul, you're bailing out the defender who did not play good defense...cause honestly, the defender was not playing good defense here. He jumps at a 3 point shooter. At the point of contact, the defender is nowhere near vertical....if you want to say the contact is marginal, I can see that. But let's not act like this defender plays good defense or was anywhere near vertical.

From a former official (me) - I see a try with contact between arm of shooter and defender's arm with defender trying to contest the shot with arms forward and up (outside defender's verticality). A1 is under no obligation to avoid defender's positioning. Foul.