Selling Calls

[bas2456]

Wondering if you agree with this notion or not:

"If you have to sell the call, you probably didn't get the call right"

That's a direct quote from a GSL softball officiating newsletter-ish thing. But the notion applies to all sports.

So in basketball, do you think that notion is true?

[Raymond]

Well, John Adams has specifically said to sell the call when a foul occurs before the shooting motion has started.

I think it is good to sell a call also when you make a call outside of your primary.

[JRutledge]

Well that is softball. Those guys/gals are robots. That does not apply very well in basketball. You have to stop play with your whistle unlike what goes on in softball.

A little different standard if you ask me.

Peace

Originally Posted by bas2456

Wondering if you agree with this notion or not:

"If you have to sell the call, you probably didn't get the call right"

That's a direct quote from a GSL softball officiating newsletter-ish thing. But the notion applies to all sports.

So in basketball, do you think that notion is true?

That notion is totally false. Not every action that warrants a call is the obvious kind that everyone in the gym can see. What do you do for those not-so-obvious ones?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That notion is totally false. Not every action that warrants a call is the obvious kind that everyone in the gym can see. What do you do for those not-so-obvious ones?

When an official at lead sells the heck out of his block/charge call by banging his fists against and thrusting his hips repeatedly like a rooster chicken having $e% on the court, that typically means he didn't see the legal guarding position of the secondary defender because he was ballwatching and focusing on the dribbler instead of the defender and had to try to overcome the fact that he missed it, had to guess, and therefore defaulted to a block.
OK, not always. But a lot.
Other than that poor excuse for having to sell a call, I deem that there are times when selling a call is genuinely necessary and correct. Not to draw undue attention to the official, but to convey confidence and certainty on a call that, to the untrained eye of a subjective fan, could have gone the other way.

Originally Posted by Freddy

When an official at lead sells the heck out of his block/charge call by banging his fists against and thrusting his hips repeatedly like a rooster chicken having $e% on the court, that typically means he didn't see the legal guarding position of the secondary defender because he was ballwatching and focusing on the dribbler instead of the defender and had to try to overcome the fact that he missed it, had to guess, and therefore defaulted to a block.

Damn Freddy, tell us how you really feel.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Freddy

When an official at lead sells the heck out of his block/charge call by banging his fists against and thrusting his hips repeatedly like a rooster chicken having $e% on the court, that typically means he didn't see the legal guarding position of the secondary defender because he was ballwatching and focusing on the dribbler instead of the defender and had to try to overcome the fact that he missed it, had to guess, and therefore defaulted to a block.
OK, not always. But a lot.
Other than that poor excuse for having to sell a call, I deem that there are times when selling a call is genuinely necessary and correct. Not to draw undue attention to the official, but to convey confidence and certainty on a call that, to the untrained eye of a subjective fan, could have gone the other way.

Solid logic, lol.

I agree with the second part of your post though.

Selling a call, to me, is merely projecting confidence in said call. I see younger/newer officials make the right call with poor sell jobs and it makes everyone in the gym question the call.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

When an official at lead sells the heck out of his block/charge call by banging his fists against and thrusting his hips repeatedly like a rooster chicken having $e% on the court, that typically means he didn't see the legal guarding position of the secondary defender because he was ballwatching and focusing on the dribbler instead of the defender and had to try to overcome the fact that he missed it, had to guess, and therefore defaulted to a block.
OK, not always. But a lot.
Other than that poor excuse for having to sell a call, I deem that there are times when selling a call is genuinely necessary and correct. Not to draw undue attention to the official, but to convey confidence and certainty on a call that, to the untrained eye of a subjective fan, could have gone the other way.

When an official gently puts his hands on his hips, it doesn't give me much confidence, either.

[Rob1968]

In sales, there is what one might call, an "assumed close." For example, "Would you like to pay for that with cash or a credit card?" In such a case, the sale person presents, in a simple and confident way, the request for the exchange of goods/services for payment, without asking if the buyer has decided to buy the item/service.

Often, in officiating, when an official is sure of the call, and that most of the interested parties can see and understand the call, no "selling" is needed - just the appropriate signals. And, in fact, to sell such a call, may be interpreted as an attempt to convince oneself and any observers, that he/she got the call right. Indeed, to "oversell" a call, or to oversell the obvious calls, can lead to less confidence in the observers, regarding the competence and confidence of the official. It may be likened to the "little boy who cried wolf" situation.

I use three variants of the NFHS PC foul signal, in a block/charge call. The obvious nature of such a call, determines which method I use. And, I am most emphatic in expressing (selling) either the block signal, or the charge/PC signal, when I sense that the offended player needs to know that he/she is rewarded, so as to allay any feelings they may be showing, that they need to retaliate.

A calm, confident presentation of the correct signals, most often demonstrates to the coaches, players and fans, that the official has "been there, seen that, before."

Recently, as I reported a block call against his player, that my partner couldn't see, he being straight-lined, the coach asked, "Hey Rob, have you ever been wrong on a call?" I answered, with a smile, "Well, once I thought I might have been wrong, but when we reviewed the video, I was mistaken!" We both chuckled, and the game continued.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Wondering if you agree with this notion or not:

"If you have to sell the call, you probably didn't get the call right"

That's a direct quote from a GSL softball officiating newsletter-ish thing. But the notion applies to all sports.

So in basketball, do you think that notion is true?

Who is the author of the article? It doesn't sound like something an official would write.

[bob jenkins]

I agree with Rob that sometimes you can "sell" a call by underselling it.

and, can we get rid of that annoying repeating gif.

[Nevadaref]

There is nothing wrong with exhibiting confidence and strength with mechanics when making a call, but I don't believe in the need to "sell" any decision.
Why not?
1. No one is buying anyway. The supporters, players, and coaching staff of the team that the decision goes against isn't going to be happy about it no matter what antics are displayed when presenting the call.
2. Officials don't change calls anyway. Whatever was decided is what the call is, barring video replay which is now becoming used with more frequency. Recently, I've found it rather amusing to watch pro baseball or college football on TV and observe an official emphatically making a call, which video replay shows to be incorrect! So what purpose did the hard "sell" serve? It didn't make the official correct.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Wondering if you agree with this notion or not:

"If you have to sell the call, you probably didn't get the call right"

That's a direct quote from a GSL softball officiating newsletter-ish thing. But the notion applies to all sports.

So in basketball, do you think that notion is true?

There is the problem in all of this.

Lesson: Don't listen to what softball does. They do all kinds of silly business.

[JRutledge]

I think we overuse the term "sell" anyway. Most of the time I am just making a signal and if the call is close I might be more emphatic about the call if it is something not easily seen or understood. For example if there is a block/charge play but there was something that took place before that contact, I might be more demonstrative about the first contact that not everyone is paying as close attention to. If it is a normal shooting foul that is near the basket, it is another day in the park and a regular call and everyone understands why you are blowing the whistle. And I do feel that participants often know you are making a call more adamant because you are making it clear what you saw. And selling a call is not always being demonstrative. It might be moving closer to the play or doing so that your partners see you have something and back off what they are about to call.

Peace

[Rich]

You don't have to hop around like a frog or bang your hips six times to sell a call.