Miami at Louisville Player Throws Ball Off Opponent's Face (Video)

[BillyMac]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miami-l...75--ncaab.html

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the rules committee might just want to address this so that there is little to no confusion how we should proceed with a call or not a call.

Completely agree. If we're so concerned about head injuries these days (rightfully so), it should be encoded in the rules that throwing a ball at someone's head, regardless of tactics or intent, is some kind of foul. I leave the specifics to the rules committee, but I believe this should be addressed to give more objective criteria to officials.

We did this for elbows above the shoulders and the message has been getting through. We can do this, too. Let's make the game safer.

[Rob1968]

Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

The subject has been addressed, and presently puts the onus on the covering official, IOW, it is presently a judgmnt call. How would one move towards less judgment, and more of a codification of the elements involved in such a play?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

The subject has been addressed, and presently puts the onus on the covering official, IOW, it is presently a judgment call. How would one move towards less judgment, and more of a codification of the elements involved in such a play?

You probably can't.

Just like the same reason that a ball that hits the foot is not always a kick, sometimes, a ball that hits is not intended to hit that body part. Swinging elbows is an act very much intended to clear space by threatening contact...and if they connect (and even if they don't) it must be dealt with.

I've seen plays where someone is diving for a ball going OOB and slings it back behind them such that it hits someone in the face. They had no idea where it was going other than back towards the court.

We're always going to need to apply judgement to these plays.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You probably can't.

Just like the same reason that a ball that hits the foot is not always a kick, sometimes, a ball that hits is not intended to hit that body part. Swinging elbows is an act very much intended to clear space by threatening contact...and if they connect (and even if they don't) it must be dealt with.

I've seen plays where someone is diving for a ball going OOB and slings it back behind them such that it hits someone in the face. They had no idea where it was going other than back towards the court.

We're always going to need to apply judgement to these plays.

exactly. I had a play last week where a girl tried to "save" the ball, but it slipped off her fingers and headed right for my head.

No way would I give a T for that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Completely agree. If we're so concerned about head injuries these days (rightfully so), it should be encoded in the rules that throwing a ball at someone's head, regardless of tactics or intent, is some kind of foul. I leave the specifics to the rules committee, but I believe this should be addressed to give more objective criteria to officials.

We did this for elbows above the shoulders and the message has been getting through. We can do this, too. Let's make the game safer.

I do not think you can take any contact with a head should be outlawed. For one there are many situations like this were a save is going to result in a ball hitting someone in the head. Maybe there needs to be more awareness under the rules, but I would hate to have a violation of the rules for any head contact. It is one thing to have an elbow hit a head, but it is different if the ball hits someone in the head.

This is also such a rare play anyway. I just did not like the way the officials decided this either.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think you can take any contact with a head should be outlawed. For one there are many situations like this were a save is going to result in a ball hitting someone in the head. Maybe there needs to be more awareness under the rules, but I would hate to have a violation of the rules for any head contact. It is one thing to have an elbow hit a head, but it is different if the ball hits someone in the head.

This is also such a rare play anyway. I just did not like the way the officials decided this either.

Peace

I believe the player's history for stirring up sh!t in games played into the decision.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I believe the player's history for stirring up sh!t in games played into the decision.

So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction.

He was suspended earlier in the year for a fight....including contact with an official:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2-dYXDZxs

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So he is a dirty player? Or he has a history of being dirty?

If that is the case, I do understand the reaction.

I'm a life-long Louisville fan, and I get tired of his antics.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm a life-long Louisville fan, and I get tired of his antics.

I forgot about this situation.

I clearly understand now.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Let's taake a look at Case Book 10.3.6 SITUATION B

10.3.6 SITUATION B: A1 has the ball out of bounds for a designated spot
throw-in. B1 is putting great pressure on and the count is at four seconds when
A1 throws the ball and it strikes B1’s face. The ball rebounds from B1’s face
directly out of bounds. RULING: The administering official will have to make a
decision based upon a number of observations. Was the throw-in to B1’s face
purely accidental or was it a voluntary, planned act? Was the ball contact caused
by the movement of the defender? Was the act of a an unsporting nature? The
administering official must be aware that players often react negatively in situations
where they are frustrated or are retaliating for something which happened
earlier in the game.

[constable]

So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

What's the difference.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by constable

So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

What's the difference.

Not black and white.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by constable

So you can whip a ball in midair at an opponents private parts and it is just an OOB, but if you hit him in the face it is a technical( if the rule is applied correctly)?

Says who?