NFHS Questionnaire

[BillyMac]

Color restrictions on socks? Give me a break.

[APG]

F'n socks....socks

[SC Official]

"Eliminating scoring on any charge call."

Does this mean to say that no points shall be awarded on a defensive BI/GT violation that occurs prior to a player control foul?

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by SC Official

"Eliminating scoring on any charge call."

Does this mean to say that no points shall be awarded on a defensive BI/GT violation that occurs prior to a player control foul?

Huh?

I take it as a pass and crash. The dribbler passing to another player but continuing through defender. The foul is charging and I agree, they should not score on the play.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Huh?

I take it as a pass and crash. The dribbler passing to another player but continuing through defender. The foul is charging and I agree, they should not score on the play.

That makes no sense. You couldn't possibly score on this type of play anyway. A team control foul on a pass and crash would result in the ball becoming dead immediately.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by SC Official

That makes no sense. You couldn't possibly score on this type of play anyway. A team control foul on a pass and crash would result in the ball becoming dead immediately.

You sure can. The pass goes to A2 who slams home. No more T/C. A1 crashes into B1. That's all I can see about what they mean unless it is a charge by the shooter who is no longer airborne and charges through an opponent. Same scenario basically in that basket is already made before the foul.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mregor

You sure can. The pass goes to A2 who slams home. No more T/C. A1 crashes into B1.

The ball would be dead, so there wouldn't even be a foul (unless intentional or flagrant).

The scenarios I can think of where there would be a charge with the basket counting are: 1) A1 takes a shot, which is still in the air when he, who is not an airborne shooter, charges into an opponent. 2) A1 passes to A2, who throws up an immediate shot and then A1 charges into a defender.

Both of these are fairly rare and I don't think necessitate a rule change.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

"Eliminating scoring on any charge call." Does this mean to say that no points shall be awarded on a defensive BI/GT violation that occurs prior to a player control foul?

4.19.6 SITUATION A: B1 obtains a legal position in A1’s path before A1
becomes airborne. A1 jumps and releases the ball on a try for goal. Before returning
to the floor, airborne shooter A1 charges into B1. (a) Before the foul by A1,
B2 commits basket interference; or (b) after the foul on A1, B2 slaps the ball on
its downward flight. RULING: In (a), both the violation and the foul are penalized.
The basket interference by B2 causes the ball to become dead immediately. The
violation is penalized by awarding the two points. The player-control foul on A1 is
also charged. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end
line. A defensive-goaltending or basket-interference violation committed prior to a
player-control foul does not contradict the general statement that when a playercontrol
foul occurs that player cannot score. In the case of a defensive violation, it
is the violation which results in awarding the score. In (b), the ball becomes dead
and the try ends immediately when the player-control foul on A1 occurs. The
action of B2 is ignored as goaltending cannot occur after the try has ended. The
ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in from a designated spot out of bounds
closest to where the foul occurred. (4-12-1; 6-7-4; 6-7-9 Exception; 7-5-4a; 9-11)

[JRutledge]

Yes, that is a case play that would not apply if this rule applies. Not sure why they would change this rule for such a rare situation?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4.19.6 SITUATION A: B1 obtains a legal position in A1’s path before A1
becomes airborne. A1 jumps and releases the ball on a try for goal. Before returning
to the floor, airborne shooter A1 charges into B1. (a) Before the foul by A1,
B2 commits basket interference; or (b) after the foul on A1, B2 slaps the ball on
its downward flight. RULING: In (a), both the violation and the foul are penalized.
The basket interference by B2 causes the ball to become dead immediately. The
violation is penalized by awarding the two points. The player-control foul on A1 is
also charged. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end
line. A defensive-goaltending or basket-interference violation committed prior to a
player-control foul does not contradict the general statement that when a player control
foul occurs that player cannot score. In the case of a defensive violation, it
is the violation which results in awarding the score. In (b), the ball becomes dead
and the try ends immediately when the player-control foul on A1 occurs. The
action of B2 is ignored as goaltending cannot occur after the try has ended. The
ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in from a designated spot out of bounds
closest to where the foul occurred. (4-12-1; 6-7-4; 6-7-9 Exception; 7-5-4a; 9-11)

If the defensive basket interference, before the foul, "causes the ball to became dead immediately", then how can one charge the player control foul? I thought that fouls during a dead ball must be intentional, or flagrant, to be charged (as technical fouls)?

What am I missing here, besides common sense?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If the defensive basket interference, before the foul, "causes the ball to became dead immediately", then how can one charge the player control foul? I thought that fouls during a dead ball must be intentional, or flagrant, to be charged (as technical fouls)?

What am I missing here, besides common sense?

4-19: A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.
ART. 1 A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with
an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing
normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact
by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.

(Hey. I've got to get my post numbers up. What's the next rank above Esteemed Forum Member? Most Exalted Forum Member?)

[bob jenkins]

I.1 -- No, it's not satisfactory. But, they don't ask anything about how to fix it.

III.2 -- what does this mean? There already isn't any scoring on a charge play (at least as most will read the question)

And -- where did you find the questionnaire?

[Welpe]

Here's the direct link:

http://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-...uestionnaires/

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Color restrictions on socks? Give me a break.