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BillyMac Sun Feb 08, 2015 03:30pm

So Long Dean Edwards Smith, Rest In Peace ...
 
The "Dean Smith Rule":

A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: d. Contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.

And let's not forget that the Four Corners Offense begot the NCAA shot clock.

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 08, 2015 05:38pm

Coach Dean Smith passes on
 
He passed on the evening of Saturday, Feb. 7. He was 83 years old. There are stories and videos all over the net about this. He was an extraordinary coach and leader.

https://intheknow7.files.wordpress.c...ael-jordan.jpg

Raymond Sun Feb 08, 2015 08:03pm

And he has a son who is an official, so his death touches the officiating community.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2015 01:30am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 954244)

And let's not forget that the Four Corners Offense begot the NCAA shot clock.

No it didn't. Villanova beating Georgetown in the 1985 final while only taking 28 shots, I believe only 10 in the second half, was the cause of the NCAA implementing the shot clock.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2015 01:33am

Dean Smith only won two NCAA titles and it easily could have been zero.
If Fred Brown doesn't throw the ball to James Worthy in 1982 and Chris Webber doesn't request an excessive time-out in 1993, history could have a very different take on him.

BillyMac Mon Feb 09, 2015 06:56am

Unindicted Co-Conspirator ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954317)
No it didn't. Villanova beating Georgetown in the 1985 final while only taking 28 shots, I believe only 10 in the second half, was the cause of the NCAA implementing the shot clock.

Maybe it didn't pull the trigger, but the Four Corners was there when it happened, and was an unindicted co-conspirator, or, at the least, a person of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_corners_offense

Raymond Mon Feb 09, 2015 08:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954318)
Dean Smith only won two NCAA titles and it easily could have been zero.
If Fred Brown doesn't throw the ball to James Worthy in 1982 and Chris Webber does request an excessive time-out in 1993, history could have a very different take on him.

Really? This is the time you want to debate Dean Smith's resume'?

westneat Mon Feb 09, 2015 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954318)
Dean Smith only won two NCAA titles and it easily could have been zero.
If Fred Brown doesn't throw the ball to James Worthy in 1982 and Chris Webber does request an excessive time-out in 1993, history could have a very different take on him.

This is the exact same faulty logic that every coach uses when they say a call in the last ten seconds is "deciding the game".

Raymond Mon Feb 09, 2015 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954318)
Dean Smith only won two NCAA titles and it easily could have been zero.
If Fred Brown doesn't throw the ball to James Worthy in 1982 and Chris Webber does request an excessive time-out in 1993, history could have a very different take on him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by westneat (Post 954327)
This is the exact same faulty logic that every coach uses when they say a call in the last ten seconds is "deciding the game".

And considering the fact that UNC was already ahead of both games at the time of these boneheaded plays by their opponents, the statement is absent of logic.

VaTerp Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954318)
Dean Smith only won two NCAA titles and it easily could have been zero.
If Fred Brown doesn't throw the ball to James Worthy in 1982 and Chris Webber does request an excessive time-out in 1993, history could have a very different take on him.

IF not for key injuries and some fluke plays going the other way he could have easily won 4 or 5 national titles. What an odd and classless thing it is to point out that someone "only" won two national championships in the days after their passing.

Dean Smith is a coaching icon who has an unquestioned record as one of basketball's greatest innovators, tacticians, and winners. He is one of the main reasons that a guy who group up in VA and graduated from the Univ. of MD became a Tar Heel fan as a kid and remains one to this day.

And his record off the court is even more impressive as evidenced by the almost universal love that his players have for him decades after leaving UNC, the tremendous graduation rate during his tenure, and the equally universal reverence held by his coaching peers. He was also a quiet but strong leader on many civil rights and social justice issues for decades.

RIP Coach Smith. You left both the game of basketball and this world better than you found them.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:43am

Nope, I'm sick of this country revering athletes and coaches. Many of whom turn out to be other than the image they projected.
Glad they tore down the statue of Joe Paterno. The same should be done with several others.

Rich Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:45am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954346)
Nope, I'm sick of this country revering athletes and coaches. Many of whom turn out to be other than the image they projected.
Glad they tore down the statue of Joe Paterno. The same should be done with several others.

Just wanted to quote this so it stays up even if you come to your senses and delete it later.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 954328)
And considering the fact that UNC was already ahead of both games at the time of these boneheaded plays by their opponents, the statement is absent of logic.

What difference does that make? My point was clearly that if either team had scored with the final possession instead of committing a turnover, UNC would most likely have lost.
It's not as if UNC was leading by ten points and these plays didn't have a significant impact on the outcome of the games.

Raymond Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954348)
What difference does that make? My point was clearly that if either team had scored with the final possession instead of committing a turnover, UNC would most likely have lost.
It's not as if UNC was leading by ten points and these plays didn't have a significant impact on the outcome of the games.

And you're a lawyer?

"If" and "most likely" sound like a sore-a$$ Hoya talking.

Raymond Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 954346)
Nope, I'm sick of this country revering athletes and coaches. Many of whom turn out to be other than the image they projected.
Glad they tore down the statue of Joe Paterno. The same should be done with several others.

Yeah, no chance that Dean Smith could have just been a great guy overall. :rolleyes:


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