Most fitting coach objection

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Do you ever see this done in a college or NBA game when you're watching on TV? No.

So why do NFHS games become this weird laboratory for officiating experiments? This kind of, "watch what I have the power to do!" stuff is nonsense. Indeed, fourth quarter of a close game, for Pete's sake please find another way to address this.

John Adams et al. made teams not breaking timeouts an NCAA POE a couple years back. But like pace of play in baseball, change isn't coming overnight. So in the meantime, stay close to the huddle, stare in the assistant coach's face, hold up two fingers, and keep verbalizing. But please don't put the ball down when an entire team isn't even moving onto the floor. For college officials that's a sure way to get kicked off a staff. Should be like that for HS, too.

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

Spoken like a true coach. How about you have your team break the huddle after the first horn as it is supposed to do?

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Spoken like a true coach. How about you have your team break the huddle after the first horn as it is supposed to do?

Thank you. We do. How about you don't get your panties in a bunch if we break the huddle a second late. Spoken like a true over-officious, power-hungry look what i can do, referee.

[Rich]

Put me down on the side of "no freaking way I'd ever put it on the floor here."

I have put the ball on the floor a few times. I think the last time was about 2012.

That said, the times I've done it are when I've had to work too hard to get a team out earlier in the game and the team subsequently hasn't bothered starting to break the huddle on the second horn later even with an official in there trying to break it up. They figure I won't do anything about it...and that's when I will.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Thank you. We do. How about you don't get your panties in a bunch if we break the huddle a second late. Spoken like a true over-officious, power-hungry look what i can do, referee.

You are out of line. I didn't add any of the unnecessary and insulting modifers that you did.

My point is merely that a coach shouldn't complain about an official who adheres to the rule. Sadly, that is what you are doing. You want something more than to which you and your team are entitled.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You are out of line. I didn't add any of the unnecessary and insulting modifiers that you did.

My point is merely that a coach shouldn't complain about an official who adheres to the rule. Sadly, that is what you are doing. You want something more than to which you and your team are entitled.

Sorry about that. I thought the sarcastic "true coach" was meant as an insult.

In our area, this is how it is handled 99% of the time: If it's the first time a team is a couple seconds late out of the huddle, and they're hustling out, then the ball isn't set down.

It is rare, but when I do see an official set the ball down under those circumstances, I'm sorry, but I do consider it overly-officious and uppity.

I'm not asking for more than my team is entitled - just consistency.

[ballgame99]

Its not the "few seconds late" that most of us officials have an issue with. Its the coach who is still drawing on the board when the second horn blows, and then his team isn't on the floor for another 15 seconds while he finishes what he is telling his team, and then throws a huddle break chant on top of it. Its your world Coach, we're just living in it.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Its not the "few seconds late" that most of us officials have an issue with. Its the coach who is still drawing on the board when the second horn blows, and then his team isn't on the floor for another 15 seconds while he finishes what he is telling his team, and then throws a huddle break chant on top of it. Its your world Coach, we're just living in it.

And, I would add that they then break the huddle followed by a slow walk onto the court. I completely understand your issue with that behavior.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Thank you. We do. How about you don't get your panties in a bunch if we break the huddle a second late. Spoken like a true over-officious, power-hungry look what i can do, referee.

One time is fine....but consistently doing so is showing direct disrespect to the officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down.

Minus the part about a few seconds late, that's exactly when I do it, after the first horn warning, including an oral warning of, "First horn", wait an extra ten seconds, or so, sounding my whistle as loud as I can, yelling, "Blue ball, blue ball", as loud as I can, and seeing blue finally break the huddle, heading toward the court; that's when I put it down, and start my slightly slow, exaggerated, highly visible, five second count signal. The result won't be a five second violation, but it will be a warning that the next time I may put the ball down for real. There usually isn't a next time, not for several years.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

Sorry, but you don't see it at higher levels because it's not necessary, the coaches know how to manage the time allotted in a timeout. There's a reason we get someone outside the huddle after the first horn. It works here. And if it doesn't, then the ball goes live.

Now, the process I use to do this normally gives them a few extra seconds to get in place. Frankly, I never see a defensive team do this because the risk is higher.

And if a team has been able to get out on time all game, they can do it with 30 seconds left, too. I don't get that.

But here, we're expected to use RPP if it comes to it, and I rarely have to do it more than once a game.