Most fitting coach objection

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I doubt the 4th quarter is the right spot to first use the RoP procedure. Get it earlier in the game or use some other method to speed up the team.

The OP didn't say anything about there being a problem with delays earlier in the game. What "other method" do you suggest? It's not our job to baby the teams when they aren't ready when the second horn blows.

Originally Posted by SC Official

The OP didn't say anything about there being a problem with delays earlier in the game. What "other method" do you suggest? It's not our job to baby the teams when they aren't ready when the second horn blows.

In the 4th quarter of a close game? I'd wait and ask the coach when I near his bench to get them out quicker next time. 4th quarter of a blowout? Put that sucker down.

[JeffM]

Based on the description, I'm in the camp of giving the teams a lot of encouragement to get them on the court with 30 seconds of a close game. One official could have stood outside his huddle to move them along. Perhaps a "we're getting ready to put the ball in play whether you're ready or not" statement would get them out of the huddle. I think it was good that you didn't whack the coach after the "you know the rule comment".

Of course, your association may not tolerate teams coming out of a timeout late, in which case, you definitely did the right thing.

My association isn't real strict about it so most of us tolerate it more than in other areas.

If it had been a problem throughout the game, it should have been addressed earlier in the game. If it wasn't a problem until then, it was simply a matter of timeouts not being nearly long enough for the coach to convey all that he thought needed to be said.

[crosscountry55]

Do you ever see this done in a college or NBA game when you're watching on TV? No.

So why do NFHS games become this weird laboratory for officiating experiments? This kind of, "watch what I have the power to do!" stuff is nonsense. Indeed, fourth quarter of a close game, for Pete's sake please find another way to address this.

John Adams et al. made teams not breaking timeouts an NCAA POE a couple years back. But like pace of play in baseball, change isn't coming overnight. So in the meantime, stay close to the huddle, stare in the assistant coach's face, hold up two fingers, and keep verbalizing. But please don't put the ball down when an entire team isn't even moving onto the floor. For college officials that's a sure way to get kicked off a staff. Should be like that for HS, too.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Do you ever see this done in a college or NBA game when you're watching on TV? No.

So why do NFHS games become this weird laboratory for officiating experiments? This kind of, "watch what I have the power to do!" stuff is nonsense. Indeed, fourth quarter of a close game, for Pete's sake please find another way to address this.

John Adams et al. made teams not breaking timeouts an NCAA POE a couple years back. But like pace of play in baseball, change isn't coming overnight. So in the meantime, stay close to the huddle, stare in the assistant coach's face, hold up two fingers, and keep verbalizing. But please don't put the ball down when an entire team isn't even moving onto the floor. For college officials that's a sure way to get kicked off a staff. Should be like that for HS, too.

I'd recommend following the rule over your advice.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'd recommend following the rule over your advice.

If you were a cop, you'd pull me over for doing 57 in a 55, wouldn't you?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

If you were a cop, you'd pull me over for doing 57 in a 55, wouldn't you?

I'd certainly ticket you for making an illegal u-turn.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

If you were a cop, you'd pull me over for doing 57 in a 55, wouldn't you?

No, but if I warned you 5 days straight and every day you increased your speed by a few mph then I would then ticket you. If you kept going 57 I probably wouldn't notice.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'd recommend following the rule over your advice.

I'd recommend following the standard in your area.

some places -- it's second horn, wait 1 second, whistle, ball in play.

some places -- it's second horn, talk to the huddle, clap your hands, if even one player is starting to move toward the floor wait, .....

most places -- it's somewhere in-between.

It should be the first. But, just like the "automatic fouls", until EVERYONE gets on the same page, and the coaches know it's coming, and they accept that it's their "fault" if the team isn't out on time, ... it won't change.

[Eastshire]

I put the ball down for the first time in probably ten years last week after waiting about 5 seconds with no sign of breaking the huddle at all.

If you show that you're breaking the huddle I'll wait but if you're just ignoring the horn, especially if the opponent has honored it, we're not being fair if we don't set it down.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Do you ever see this done in a college or NBA game when you're watching on TV? No.

So why do NFHS games become this weird laboratory for officiating experiments? This kind of, "watch what I have the power to do!" stuff is nonsense. Indeed, fourth quarter of a close game, for Pete's sake please find another way to address this.

John Adams et al. made teams not breaking timeouts an NCAA POE a couple years back. But like pace of play in baseball, change isn't coming overnight. So in the meantime, stay close to the huddle, stare in the assistant coach's face, hold up two fingers, and keep verbalizing. But please don't put the ball down when an entire team isn't even moving onto the floor. For college officials that's a sure way to get kicked off a staff. Should be like that for HS, too.

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

Spoken like a true coach. How about you have your team break the huddle after the first horn as it is supposed to do?

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Spoken like a true coach. How about you have your team break the huddle after the first horn as it is supposed to do?

Thank you. We do. How about you don't get your panties in a bunch if we break the huddle a second late. Spoken like a true over-officious, power-hungry look what i can do, referee.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down.

Minus the part about a few seconds late, that's exactly when I do it, after the first horn warning, including an oral warning of, "First horn", wait an extra ten seconds, or so, sounding my whistle as loud as I can, yelling, "Blue ball, blue ball", as loud as I can, and seeing blue finally break the huddle, heading toward the court; that's when I put it down, and start my slightly slow, exaggerated, highly visible, five second count signal. The result won't be a five second violation, but it will be a warning that the next time I may put the ball down for real. There usually isn't a next time, not for several years.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I agree with this 100%. U never see it at the higher levels, cuz it's unnecessary. It should be a last resort after prior warnings have gone unheeded. I've seen officials do it when we're few seconds late, and we're hustling onto the court, and they put the ball down. that's crap. In my opinion.

Sorry, but you don't see it at higher levels because it's not necessary, the coaches know how to manage the time allotted in a timeout. There's a reason we get someone outside the huddle after the first horn. It works here. And if it doesn't, then the ball goes live.

Now, the process I use to do this normally gives them a few extra seconds to get in place. Frankly, I never see a defensive team do this because the risk is higher.

And if a team has been able to get out on time all game, they can do it with 30 seconds left, too. I don't get that.

But here, we're expected to use RPP if it comes to it, and I rarely have to do it more than once a game.