Oak Hill (VA) vs St. Joseph (OH) (Video)

[JRutledge]

Play #1: Looks just like players got tangled up. I would have just stopped play to stop all that action to prevent to have to call anything else like a T or something that by rule would apply on a throw-in.

Play #2: It never can be a T for this. It could be an intentional or flagrant, but not a T. Ball was live.

Peace

[Kansas Ref]

Sit#1: "delay of game". gray intentionally interferred with white attempting to inbound the ball after a made basket; this is a commonly applied ruse that players use to thwart/delay the opponents initiation of the fast break action.

Sit#2: holding foul on gray; I will concede that a body on the floor would give an Official a "moment of pause" on whether to penalize the action further; however, a dramatic-appearing fall is not sufficient enough reason to apply anything other than a common foul.

[deecee]

Play 1 - nothing. White has the whole endline and went right into black. Play on.

Play 2 - common foul.

[Rob1968]

Play 1: Did the shot not go through the basket? It seems that W1 never did step out-of-bounds, to make the subsequent throw-in.

Play2: It looks like the infraction was effected by the left elbow of the Gray player, and thus the Lead may have confused his options regarding a foul call.

[Welpe]

Mechanics question on the 2nd play:

The lead rotates over as the ball moves to the other side and it seems the C stays put. Is that a correct mechanic since the player goes up for the shot soon after the lead finishes rotating?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Mechanics question on the 2nd play:

The lead rotates over as the ball moves to the other side and it seems the C stays put. Is that a correct mechanic since the player goes up for the shot soon after the lead finishes rotating?

The C should stay where he can officiate until it's practical for him to step out and become the trail. OK to have 2 Cs if necessary.

[RefCT]

A point of clarification - I know a number of refs that officiate these games on MLK weekend at the Naismith HoF. They are assigned by college assignors and are following NCAAM rules.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RefCT

A point of clarification - I know a number of refs that officiate these games on MLK weekend at the Naismith HoF. They are assigned by college assignors and are following NCAAM rules.

What NCAAM rule would apply to live ball contact being a T?

[RefCT]

Originally Posted by deecee

What NCAAM rule would apply to live ball contact being a T?

1. I am not an NCAAM official and have no idea if there is a difference. I am assuming from the perceived tone of your comment that there is no difference. I am wondering though - is an F1 considered a technical or is it just classified as an F1 with no relation to a T? How is it marked in the book? If someone gets 2 F1's in a game, are they DQ'd?

2. I was making a clarification based on the OP question #1.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RefCT

1. I am not an NCAAM official and have no idea if there is a difference. I am assuming from the perceived tone of your comment that there is no difference. I am wondering though - is an F1 considered a technical or is it just classified as an F1 with no relation to a T? How is it marked in the book? If someone gets 2 F1's in a game, are they DQ'd?

2. I was making a clarification based on the OP question #1.

I had no tone in my comment I just wasn't sure if NCAAM treated contact fouls different from HS.

But I also don't know the mechanics for a flagrant at the NCAA. I do know the flagrant foul can be Technical or personal, however I believe only the F2 can be technical. The F1 is personal only, and I could be wrong. The F2 results in DQ and the F1 just counts towards a players total foul count.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RefCT

1. I am not an NCAAM official and have no idea if there is a difference. I am assuming from the perceived tone of your comment that there is no difference. I am wondering though - is an F1 considered a technical or is it just classified as an F1 with no relation to a T? How is it marked in the book? If someone gets 2 F1's in a game, are they DQ'd?

2. I was making a clarification based on the OP question #1.

NCAA F1 (approx.) = NFHS INT

[crosscountry55]

Play 1: Normally if the scoring team momentarily touches the ball or maybe even sets it on the floor, I'm not going to issue a DOG if there's no (dare I say it) adv/disad. However, in this case, white touches the ball first and it clearly interferes with gray's ability to inbound, regardless of whether white intended to do this, and regardless of whether gray could run the endline or not. So I have a DOG warning here. This warning also precludes any possible foul because it causes the ball to remain dead before gray has disposal.

Play 2: Hard to tell what the new L (new T) saw, so if he saw intentional or flagrant contact, I'm not going to question him. But penalizing by "T" is probably incorrect unless the foul was non-contact in nature. But it sure looked like contact was the culprit here. Assuming it was, hopefully the crew got together and determined the correct penalty.