New thread: Karl Hess out of ACC

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I did not say or mean to imply the fan was culpable or expected to act in the same professional manner that Hess was. I just pointed out the fact that it takes an exceptional ass wipe to hurl insults at some one and then cry foul when that person responds with an insult.

Well then you allow him to win when you make those kinds of comments. You could have gotten rid of his behind if he was a problem. But then again why pay that close attention to them in the first place?

Peace

[SC Official]

I think we are getting too caught up in THIS instance. This was not the only incident that led to this outcome; this was, rather, the final straw for the ACC. Let's not forget that Hess has a history which includes ignoring protocol for dealing with fans, ejecting a coach for pointing out a shot clock error, and the brutal error of lining up the teams the wrong way.

Like BNR, I am not a believer that we should have to be stone-faced while coaches and fans lay into us. And I actually very much respect Hess's "no-nonsense" mentality when he works games. But he, even as a "big dog," is not immune to the consequences of his actions, as he admitted. If this was an isolated incident, I doubt the ACC would've canned him. And I do think the CEO was being a little bit of a crybaby on social media. Regardless, Hess cannot say what he said, and his history led to this outcome.

He'll take the rest of this season off, then he'll come back next season with a new primary conference.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I did not say or mean to imply the fan was culpable or expected to act in the same professional manner that Hess was. I just pointed out the fact that it takes an exceptional ass wipe to hurl insults at some one and then cry foul when that person responds with an insult.

I agree with this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well then you allow him to win when you make those kinds of comments. You could have gotten rid of his behind if he was a problem. But then again why pay that close attention to them in the first place?

Peace

This is why I suggest fans be removed once they become a distraction, and before they cause us to lose our composure.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is exactly what a PC world entails. .... A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

As Adam stated, "Orwellian" would mean the government would punish you for what you say, and that would be unacceptable (threats, "fire" in a crowded theater notwithstanding). The ACC is a private organization that sets its boundaries, and they're not too far off from the rest of American corporate society.

Let's review. Hess directed a nationality at someone, followed it with the word "ass," and the nationality was just plain wrong. So, I guess it was politically incorrect, albeit literally. Either way, such language is a deal-breaker just about anywhere.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I am very sarcastic, and I have a quick, biting wit. Unfortunately, that may work well at parties or shut up loudmouths at sports bars, but it's not what will keep me employed as an official (not great for marriages either).

I don't know. My wife of 23 years and I prefer to look at it as a survival technique.

All kidding aside, you have to know your audience. Most of the time, I won't interact with fans, but there are exceptions, if you have a good feel for the crowd. If Joey Crawford can buy fans beer, you know you're not always in a lion's den.

[letemplay]

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

Nope. Have I heard it happen? Yes. But it shouldn't.

There are lots of ways to communicate with players; it's not as though profanity is the only language they know. A healthy, "knock it off!" or "I have heard enough." works well. So does a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

I suppose it could be regional, and acceptable in some remote corners of the globe, but not here. Never.

Well, maybe "stop your bitching."

[Raymond]

In a somewhat related note, because he also works a lot of ACC games, Ray Natili went down with a leg injury at the end of OT in the Baylor/TCU game. Based on his reactions when they were tending to him, it seemed to be serious.

Any word on his status? If he out also, there is going to be a lot of scrambling to fill Hess's and Natili's games, some of which they were probably scheduled to work together.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

i'll just say, living where i live, the word "pc" often comes from people who want an excuse to be bigoted or hateful and not be called out on it.

+1

Is it possible that due to his recent controversies Hess was cautioned against ejecting any more fans? I would wager all he could do was yell back at the guy and insult him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is it possible that due to his recent controversies Hess was cautioned against ejecting any more fans? I would wager all he could do was yell back at the guy and insult him.

Or do what the rest of us do

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll just say, living where I live, the word "PC" often comes from people who want an excuse to be bigoted or hateful and not be called out on it.

Pretty much. That place you live must be the same here. Because usually people do not get all upset about the "PC World" unless they are OK with saying things that were once accepted but found out to be offensive to certain groups.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Pretty much. That place you live must be the same here. Because usually people do not get all upset about the "PC World" unless they are OK with saying things that were once accepted but found out to be offensive to certain groups.

Peace

Hess' words are indefensible, even to most people who may have grown weary of constantly adjusting language to accommodate "pc" requirements. My experience with those people is different than yours, but Hess was out of line. If he'd have said "your dumb ass" instead, it would be debatable. What he actually said, however, really isn't debatable.

[JRutledge]

Well apparently it matters if he made a ethnic or racial slur to some. So I guess to the right person it is defensible.

Peace